What is this music called? 5:18

Thanks.

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Lore & Quest Design previous BlizzCon conventions

I need information about 05 and 07 editions.

How is that even possible? Did he take on a fake name?

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Does this mean Thrall is named "Go'el Wolfbrother"?

The Ironwolf, in the AU. Fenris might have been adopted or married into the Wolfbrother family. Also, there's a female Wolfbrother in Orgrimmar, so...

But the... I mean... and the...

I don't get it.

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It's a link.

The sci-fi show Fringe has a parallel universe with many differences. Some are based on different decisions and events. Others are harder to explain... like the Statue of Liberty never oxidizing and changing its color.

The whole 'Warlord' thing is silly anyway. The Chieftain title worked just fine just like Supreme Allied Commander worked just fine instead of High King.

could it be warlord and high king are fantasy buzzwords used for marketing purposes?

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You mean like "honor" and "balance"?

Don't forget #savage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ETH7QXpAR4

Arms Warriors are now perfectly efficient.

well im sated.

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Agreed (though I'd argue the draenei didn't get much beyond BC's launch patch). The clans are now all very distinct, and even if the only one I like personally is Shadowmoon I'm glad they all stand out from each other now. I hope some day the human nations get the same treatment (sans Kul Tiras and Gilneas, who are already pretty distinct as "the naval power" and "Victorian British").

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All Draenei got in BC was being the sidekicks to Blood Elves and their story arc, as well as explaining away the massive retcon.

When I think of BC Draenei lore, I think of the hot mess that is Auchindoun. I'm very glad that it seems like WOD is making up for that.

What do you mean?

It's just a giant mess of lore and timelines. Auchindoun was a Draenei temple where they buried their dead - as well as the Naaru D'ore, who was critically injured in the crash of the Genedar. When the genocide of the Draenei began, Auchindoun was besieged by the Bleeding Hollow Clan and the Draenei were either slaughtered or hid away in the temple's furthest reaches.

When the Alliance came through years later, they found the Auchenai still around the area. An Auchenai Anchorite named Nemuraan helped save Kudran Wildhammer, and subsequently healed him back to health, informing the group that the Auchenai would remain in Auchindoun tending to the dead. At some point between then and now, the Shadow Council took over Auchindoun and began to summon Murmur, which wiped out many of the remaining Auchenai and created the Bone Wastes. The in-game lore states the Shadow Council infiltrated the temple and then wiped them out by summoning Murmur, but that doesn't account for the fact that the Bleeding Hollow had already sieged the temple and killed most of the Auchenai. Hell, they even used it as their main base of operations, even though there were still Draenei hiding within it.

It isn't clear when the Sethekk came in and took over part of Auchindoun, or when the nameless and loreless group of Ethereals under Nexus-Prince Shaffar did either, but that happened as well.

We don't know when or why the Auchenai went mad, or why Nemuraan was sane during Beyond the Dark Portal, but he was. What we do know is that with D'ore in his darkened state still lingering in the catacombs, the few Auchenai who remained were driven mad and began to practice necromancy. Exarch Maladaar's dungeon journal entry states that he is the sole surviving Auchenai, but that clearly isn't the case because they're all over the goddamn place. There's also the whole "Draenei using a book of the damned to raise an army of skeletons" in the Bone Wastes things. And Sand Gnomes. And a frostwyrm, because why not.

Really, Auchindoun is just a confusing mess of ideas that has never really gelled well together. Blizzard set out to create a questing and dungeon hub, and never really fleshed out much about it. It set misconceptions about the Auchenai as a faction, and has confused a lot of aspiring Draenei roleplayers due to just how much has been shoved into such a small area with very little in-game explanation.

Besides four factions being showed into one tomb complex, I do not see the problem.

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Okay. It is cool.

Wasn't that BC in a nutshell?

In many ways, yeah, plus the needless vilification of the Illidari.

I'll never forgive them for what they did to Kael'thas and Illidan. Akama was cool though.

Inconsistency with the Auchenai, no explanation as to how they remained undetected even with both the Bleeding Hollow taking over Auchindoun and then the Shadow Council. Maladaar being stated as the last living Auchenai despite that being obviously untrue. D'ore's story arc being incomplete. The Ethereals having absolutely no lore at all. The Arakkoa being shoved in there for funsies. All of the shit around it, like the giant Draenei-turned-Eredar, Sand Gnomes and Frostwyrm. And Murmur.

It was just one giant shit-show. They should have focused on the Shadow Council isntead of just shoving everything in there at once. It's a headache trying to explain the story of Auchindoun to anybody.

You know Blizzard really screwed up when even they'll admit they did with that story.

That is odd.

I read the Dungeon Journal as saying that the rest were undead.

They have lore, just not very much. They just don't have a group name because they are the first ethereal antagonists encountered. A lot of races have a nameless group like that. They are the "vanilla" ethereals, trying to steal energies and souls for some interplanetary profit.

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Okay. It is cool.

Actually, if you read BtDP novel, the Bone Wastes was already there when the Alliance was sent to rescue Kurdran. The explosion of Auchindoun is also described as the result of the Shadow Council's incursion that released a being that was being held there (Mur'mur).

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The Bone Wastes got created twice... just ignore that.

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Okay. It is cool.

it got super wasted.

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