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View Poll Results: What are you attracted to and as what do you identify?
Males (Sexually) 23 22.77%
Females (Sexually) 76 75.25%
I'm asexual 4 3.96%
Males (Romantically) 22 21.78%
Females (Romantically) 67 66.34%
I'm aromantic 3 2.97%
I identify as a male 75 74.26%
I identify as a female 12 11.88%
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:16 AM
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Wait, Nazja. Back when Luke had that... confused romantic streak of his, you said him that you were a dude. Was that to just calm him down? Or second thoughts on gender identity?

Not trolling, just curious.
Human gender isn't really essentialistic. It is a social construct which is based on certain biological qualities.

That is to say - our understanding of "man" and "woman" in a modern society stretches far beyond sexual organs.

This is why I accept that Xilizhra identifies herself as a woman, for an example. If Nazja identifies as a woman, her physical gender is rather unimportant to me.

But that's just me.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:17 AM
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So you're a male that identifies as female and are attracted to females? Or a female that identifies as male and are attracted to females?
Look at the votes.
The former.

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I think one should be what one wants to be.
Yep, and that's why I'm content even if others consider me a male. I know what I am, and that is all that matters to me.

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Old 06-05-2013, 09:18 AM
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Look at the votes.
The former.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:19 AM
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I'm a man, and I like men and women both sexually and romantically. To quote the wisdom of Hannah Montana, "You get the beeeeeest of both worlds!"
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:20 AM
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Not sure how it's like to identify yourself as female but w/e.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:22 AM
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Human gender isn't really essentialistic. It is a social construct which is based on certain biological qualities.

That is to say - our understanding of "man" and "woman" in a modern society stretches far beyond sexual organs.

This is why I accept that Xilizhra identifies herself as a woman, for an example. If Nazja identifies as a woman, her physical gender is rather unimportant to me.

But that's just me.
That's why I asked for clarification as to what Nazja identifies as. I have remembered the dialogue with Luke and thought "male" for some time. Now I have (some) confirmation of the actual situation.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:23 AM
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I wonder what Ash is trying to say. Is the option he didn't vote for the right one?
Well that only of those that I don't identify with is female.

The reason why voted on genderless blob and male is besides being biologically male I also heavily identify myself with the post-genderism movements. If given the possibility to get rid of gender while keeping the sexual and reproductive side I would probably gladly take it.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:36 AM
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Well that only of those that I don't identify with is female.

The reason why voted on genderless blob and male is besides being biologically male I also heavily identify myself with the post-genderism movements. If given the possibility to get rid of gender while keeping the sexual and reproductive side I would probably gladly take it.
Ah, the checking aromantic and asexual but also the male & female options made me think you were pulling a Torch.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:39 AM
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Ah, the checking aromantic and asexual but also the male & female options made me think you were pulling a Torch.
The sexual/romance thing is mainly due to my inexperience and confusion.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:15 AM
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Ah, the checking aromantic and asexual but also the male & female options made me think you were pulling a Torch.
Now that just sounds dirty.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:35 AM
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I think one should be what one wants to be.
That's a very noble view to hold. Sadly we can't just tell human DNA to shove it. Yet.

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Not sure how it's like to identify yourself as female but w/e.
It's hard to explain. For me it's mostly the feeling of wanting something i can't possibly ever have, a normal, healthy body with the right organs in the right place... but it's more than that. It goes deep down into the mind. It tells you how to act, how to dress, how to move - and when all of that enters the muscle memory it gives you the human-body-feedback-version of "wtf"-bear-meme-picture because upbringing, education, friends and - most damnig of them all - your own body backstab you into being a man just because you can't change it.
You know I had cravings for good alcohol for a good three weeks now; might as well break my two-years without intoxication and buy a bottle of pina colada tomorrow. Thanks Nazja.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:48 AM
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Ha I love that the poll shows people are just a bit more inclined to be attracted to a girl sexually rather than romantically.

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Old 06-05-2013, 10:51 AM
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:52 AM
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It's hard to explain. For me it's mostly the feeling of wanting something i can't possibly ever have, a normal, healthy body with the right organs in the right place... but it's more than that. It goes deep down into the mind. It tells you how to act, how to dress, how to move - and when all of that enters the muscle memory it gives you the human-body-feedback-version of "wtf"-bear-meme-picture because upbringing, education, friends and - most damnig of them all - your own body backstab you into being a man just because you can't change it.
You know I had cravings for good alcohol for a good three weeks now; might as well break my two-years without intoxication and buy a bottle of pina colada tomorrow. Thanks Nazja.
Love you too. The way you explained it was beautiful.

Anyways, Smoke, you can probably tell by Rotal's explanation that it sucks. It kind of breaks you little by little, but you can't really do anything against it.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:25 AM
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Ha I love that the poll shows people are just a bit more inclined to be attracted to a girl sexually rather than romantically.
Nothing wrong with this as long as you're not sexually involved with someone while you're romantically involved with someone else. My take on it.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:51 AM
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I may just be a consevatist but I'm going to stick to the man/woman/other categorization. I have no interest in changing my mind either, no matter how hated and verbally abused I'd be.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:24 PM
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Ha I love that the poll shows people are just a bit more inclined to be attracted to a girl sexually rather than romantically.
So did you just vote Female (Romantic) and not Female (Sexual) just because you wanted to balance out the poll? As a male, I'd just like to say that I am attracted to females sexually that have no business being on my romantic radar. The same is true for females too. At the moment, since I'm not romantically involved with any women (and since I'm a straight guy), shouldn't my vote be Female (Sexual) by default?


P.S. Yes you read that right. I am single. The line forms over here to my right.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:30 PM
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So, on the not-progressive side of things, what have you heard that someone identifies as that you refuse to accept as a gender? Like in those 4chan jokes of the near future that turn out to be rooted in serious opinions. Or do you accept all identities?
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:36 PM
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On Mondays/Tuesdays/Wednesday, I identify as a female. On Thursdays/Fridays/Saturdays, I identify as a male. On Sundays, I'm a gay whore. If you have a problem with that, you're just a narrow-minded republican.

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Old 06-05-2013, 12:41 PM
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Ha I love that the poll shows people are just a bit more inclined to be attracted to a girl sexually rather than romantically.
this is both the internet and a really small sampling pool so i don't suggest you read too much into it.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:57 PM
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Ha I love that the poll shows people are just a bit more inclined to be attracted to a girl sexually rather than romantically.
What's wrong with that? When it comes to women, I think with my dick. I'm in my 20s, after all.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:16 PM
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I personally think it's totally fine to simply not agree or acknowledge anything on a personal level, as long as it doesn't cause any harm.

For an example, not believing in transgenderism is fine. I'd take issue with people who don't believe in it only when it comes to, say, politics. Swedish law is a prime example, as the Swedes often pride themselves on having foregone barbaric and medieval policies regarding forced sterilization of "lesser" humans (up until the 1970's, that included colored people, jews, homosexuals, lesbians, abortionists, romani and women who enjoyed sex).

Today, Sweden only practices barbarism against transgendered people.

We're very open minded here.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:24 PM
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And here I thought Swedes were a friendly sort.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:27 PM
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Ha I love that the poll shows people are just a bit more inclined to be attracted to a girl sexually rather than romantically.
Because most of SoL is to immature to entertain romantic relationships without inherently linking them to sexual urges.

Least, thats my answer, and i'm sticking with it.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:29 PM
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Not sure why a bunch of young men who are more into women sexually instead of romantically is a problem. That's pretty much college.
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