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Old 05-27-2012, 04:29 AM
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The character could be used to explore blood elf/Forsaken relations in general. What she sees in the sinídorei, how they react to her, why she continues to admire them despite the massive problems they had in BCÖI donít know if youíre doing anything with QuelíDelar or the Sanílayn, but maybe that stuff would interest her. And she could show up for the Wrathgate/Battle for the Undercity to contrast her reaction with her sisterís.
I do have a plan for that; the belflock is going to get Quel'Delar. As a sidenote, the human paladin rival will get Shadowmourne, the final thing necessary for him to be utterly convinced that it's his destiny to defeat the Lich King. Being shot down at Icecrown Citadel is likely to be... somewhat traumatic for him.
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Oh, I guess itís not so strange that someone ends up with Invincible if all the characters are elite raiders representing the most epic player achievements.

If this is during Wrath, the goblin would be a neutral who happens to prefer working with the Horde?

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As a sidenote, the human paladin rival will get Shadowmourne, the final thing necessary for him to be utterly convinced that it's his destiny to defeat the Lich King. Being shot down at Icecrown Citadel is likely to be... somewhat traumatic for him.
ÖJust donít call him Vyjar.

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Old 05-27-2012, 08:22 AM
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If this is during Wrath, the goblin would be a neutral who happens to prefer working with the Horde?
She's like one of those dedicated goblin workers who do things like man zeppelins and work on Warsong Hold, except a shaman adventurer.

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I confess, my "beta" name I used for him when considering the plot was Vyrantus Fojarin. However, his actual name is as of now Celtar Brevick.
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You can't go wrong by making a dwarf name start with Thor. Thorgas Broadaxe is a Mountain king name used in Warcraft 3 which I happened to like.
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You can't go wrong by making a dwarf name start with Thor. Thorgas Broadaxe is a Mountain king name used in Warcraft 3 which I happened to like.
Ah, got it.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:21 AM
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I went with Woaden for mine.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:59 PM
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The paladin should be actualfax from Lordaeron. Making him some Stormwind poser would be a dishonorable tactic.
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:19 PM
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Put a night elf in it somewhere for me. And hopefully they don't die.
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Do they allow ogre in the team?
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:16 PM
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The paladin should be actualfax from Lordaeron. Making him some Stormwind poser would be a dishonorable tactic.
I'll say he's from Southshore, as a compromise.

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Done. You have a female druid who's actually pissed about the Ashenvale thing.

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Old 05-27-2012, 11:46 PM
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I'll say he's from Southshore, as a compromise.
Traumatized veteran returns home from Northrend to be welcomed by a procession of slimesÖouch. He'd have no lack of incentive for hating the Horde, thatís for sure.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:55 PM
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Traumatized veteran returns home from Northrend to be welcomed by a procession of slimesÖouch. He'd have no lack of incentive for hating the Horde, thatís for sure.
Yes, when I begin the Cataclysm arc, he's going to be rather the worse for wear.

Also, I'm debating starting this in Northrend or in vanilla. On the one hand, there may be a lot of personal story in the pre-Wrath part, as my priestess Isillia was originally a rather bitter and vengeful shadow specialist until Outland, when she fell in with the Aldor (after previous more positive experiences with the Argent Dawn) and redeemed herself to her current more benevolent position. On the other hand, I hate TBC's plot and don't want anyone to do anything particularly important lorewise until the Wrath era. So there's the possibility of starting in Northrend and telling glimpses of the past story through flashbacks...
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If you involve Vanilla and TBC you would probably be able to introduce a lot of the rival Alliance characters and less important Horde characters to the story better.
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If you involve Vanilla and TBC you would probably be able to introduce a lot of the rival Alliance characters and less important Horde characters to the story better.
I can definitely see that, especially the Alliance ones... if this were to be the case, I'd likely focus on battles with the Scourge/Scarlet Crusade, although I'd want to leave Lordaeron at least once.
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Old 05-28-2012, 05:11 AM
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I donít know, I think it would be a good idea to start with the main action and bring up the past stuff when relevant. Doing all the expansions sounds like a huge amount of work, especially if there are parts you donít like much. Destron must have had a will of fel iron, and that project still took years. You could always write shorter side stories about the most interesting events from previous expansions. Or, since a lot of the vanilla quests could have taken place at any time before Cataclysm, you could have the characters doing some of them right before heading off to Northrend.
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I donít know, I think it would be a good idea to start with the main action and bring up the past stuff when relevant. Doing all the expansions sounds like a huge amount of work, especially if there are parts you donít like much. Destron must have had a will of fel iron, and that project still took years. You could always write shorter side stories about the most interesting events from previous expansions. Or, since a lot of the vanilla quests could have taken place at any time before Cataclysm, you could have the characters doing some of them right before heading off to Northrend.
This was my train of thought at first. It wouldn't be so bad, then, if I used Destron's method for the protagonist and more or less swept the dark aspects of her past under the rug aside from mentioning them a few times?
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This was my train of thought at first. It wouldn't be so bad, then, if I used Destron's method for the protagonist and more or less swept the dark aspects of her past under the rug aside from mentioning them a few times?
I donít think it would be a problem. Maybe she remembers it when dealing with people who remind her of her past self, etc.

Edit: Although if she's going to be involved with Old Gods and other mind-rapey villains, that would be a prime opportunity for traumatic flashbacks.

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Old 05-28-2012, 07:00 AM
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I donít think it would be a problem. Maybe she remembers it when dealing with people who remind her of her past self, etc.

Edit: Although if she's going to be involved with Old Gods and other mind-rapey villains, that would be a prime opportunity for traumatic flashbacks.
Oh, most definitely. I could probably get a lot of mileage out of "It WAS your fault" alone.

Now... is it a problem if I begin with an already-established romance, or can that be done without needing to build the thing over the course of the previous story?

Also, my apologies for all these questions if it's not customarily done, but I tend to be highly insecure about this sort of thing and really don't want to give up due to losing my nerve after I begin.
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Now... is it a problem if I begin with an already-established romance, or can that be done without needing to build the thing over the course of the previous story?

Also, my apologies for all these questions if it's not customarily done, but I tend to be highly insecure about this sort of thing and really don't want to give up due to losing my nerve after I begin.
Personally, Iíd rather have a pre-established romance than a bunch of romantic tension drama, but thatís probably just a matter of taste.

Not that Iím any kind of fanfic expertÖIíve only managed to finish one in my life, and it was just two characters sitting around talking. And one of them was kind of OOC, despite being my own damn character. So really, I have no idea if my advice is any good.

But it truly is impossible to please everyone, whatever you do. Just ask the canon writers. Anyway, I know that some fanfic writers use beta readers for stuff like this, but I'm not sure how commonly that's done in WoW fandom or how people go about finding betas.
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Personally, Iíd rather have a pre-established romance than a bunch of romantic tension drama, but thatís probably just a matter of taste.
Agreed. I actually don't like romantic drama that much, so the romance probably won't be a plot itself, just a characteristic of two characters.

Also, if anyone here wanted to beta read for me, that'd be lovely.
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When writing a story about someone who goes through many of the quest arcs of WoW, how many achievements are too many? For instance, I wouldn't write someone who was the sole killer of the Lich King, but I may write about someone who participated in the raid that killed him, among other possible events. Is this Suish, or is the fact that it wouldn't involve things that can't be done in-game enough to save it?
This is always a tricky matter. If the PC really did all those things, Lothar wouldn't even register next to us. Maybe that's why I write about outcasts who do their own thing while history happens in the background. Certainly, the "elite mercenaries" that we play can't be involved in everything. Back in vanilla, there was so much happening all at the same time doing EVERYTHING was impossible on any single character. You could argue the multiple 1-60 paths make this still the case. After that, however, the raids started coming in distinct tiers, opening the floodgates of Sue-ism.

I'd go with Omacron's idea. Yes, the raid itself is just one battle, but it's the culmination of many other events that could be accurately thought of as a 'tour.' More to the point, our mercenary characters are able to choose their battles. Would you run from one plot climax to another if you could help it? Those that did would burn out very quickly, I suspect.

Just as an aside, saying you got Invincible is like saying you got Sulfuras: it just doesn't make sense. How does anybody even lift that thing?

Reading the thread, it sounds like you have some solid ideas with lots of hooks for interesting interactions. Go for it -and most importantly- NEVER give up!
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I'd go with Omacron's idea. Yes, the raid itself is just one battle, but it's the culmination of many other events that could be accurately thought of as a 'tour.' More to the point, our mercenary characters are able to choose their battles. Would you run from one plot climax to another if you could help it? Those that did would burn out very quickly, I suspect.
I don't quite know if it'd apply to my other two characters, so rotating the party may be useful, but... I do believe it makes sense for Isilia. Quite frankly, she's a masochist. She associates pain and stress with life and vitality, due to her extremely prolific use of the Light. Her problem may not be that she'd burn out, but that she can't, well, stop. She's thought before that she'd want to settle down, but I think she's actually terrified of the prospect, because not constantly striving to save the world would drop her back into the Forsaken-common ennui. It's possible that she will after Cataclysm, but she doesn't know yet how to balance sanity with stability, if that makes any sense.
Actually, she almost had it. She almost left the Forsaken altogether to serve under the Aldor. But then the Lich King's invasion kicked off the Wrath war, and she's never felt she could leave since then.

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Just as an aside, saying you got Invincible is like saying you got Sulfuras: it just doesn't make sense. How does anybody even lift that thing?
Invincible feels totally lost without a master, maybe, and will gravitate towards whomever might serve?
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