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Old 07-21-2012, 08:17 PM
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Would this be an appropriate place to ask about something that comes from the game but may not be considered lore? For instance, I'm writing about orcs, and it would help to know when they hold the naming cycle for the babies. Apparently Thrall's parents died before he was named, and he seemed to be a couple months old.

But to put it into a story, would something called a 'cycle' occur at a certain time of year, or would it happen when a child reaches a certain age?
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:25 PM
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:09 AM
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Lord of the Clans, chapter 1: Durotan is distracted by a snuffling sound and turns to see Draka nursing their son. "His little son, as yet unnamed until the ordained Naming Day of this cycle, had cried out as he was being fed."

I'm trying to figure out exactly when this naming thing happens. Even on Azeroth, the Frostwolves are trying to stick to their rituals.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:03 AM
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Lord of the Clans, chapter 1: Durotan is distracted by a snuffling sound and turns to see Draka nursing their son. "His little son, as yet unnamed until the ordained Naming Day of this cycle, had cried out as he was being fed."

I'm trying to figure out exactly when this naming thing happens. Even on Azeroth, the Frostwolves are trying to stick to their rituals.
Well the surname which doubles as a title is often granted by others in honor of great deeds the Orc has performed during his life. This secondary nomenclature is even passed down to the second generation from the one gained that title. It would be assumed that, much like Naming Day, this is done by the tribe over all. This seems pretty rare, so the surname must be a great mark of pride. One would assume that there would be a ceremony to elevate that Orc from above the common rabble based on the stem cultures. Come to think of it, it would be a cool thing to see happen in an ingame event to an NPC we see grow throughout the game.

So first names, I'd speculate tend to be granted by a parent to encourage their offspring or remark on a quality they think their child possess. Oddly it seems like their first name in Orcish actually works like the second name in common, being a statement of traits. Most of the central orcs have been revealed to have Orcish names that mean something. Giant's Heart, To Redeem, Heart of Draenor, etc. We have two names there that seem to think having powerful hearts is something worth naming their child for, Grommash oddly playing off what would now be mythology to the Orcs (Ok maybe not since the skeletons existed) and Dranosh which seems to show ambition for his people and world. Neither are conclusive as it's very little evidence to go off of. But then we have Thrall with Go'el, which was revealed to him as he never had a naming day. Showing that they had the intention for Thrall to "Redeem" their actions. Again, the naming is inconclusive, but with those three names I'd suggest that they are what the parents saw as "positive" and "encouraging" for the child's life, something to aspire to. Meaning likely has a HUGE part in the naming of an Orc, especially since they have the Surnames and the Naming Day tradition. Being a warrior culture this seems like the most likely case.
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:31 AM
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Just in case you care for the "not really canon" but still "a-lot-of-good-stuff-containing" P&P sources, here two short quotes that might be of use to you.

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Most orcish names derive from words in their
language that have some complex meaning or hidden
signifi cance to their families. Typically, this is the name
of a favorite thing or relative. Family names don’t exist;
most orcs have last names related to some great deed of
heroism or honor. However, in the case of truly incredible
deeds, an orc might take on the last name of his father to
ensure that the chronicle of that terrifi c deed lives on.

WOWRPG, 46


“Show yourself!” Gorn roared. “You who have
plagued our people. Do you fear to face me? You
should. I am Gorn, son of Luhk the Keen-Eyed,
grandson of Dharl of the Thrice-Bloodied Blade.”

Horde Player's Guide, 84
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