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Old 11-03-2018, 04:25 AM
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Old 11-03-2018, 04:54 AM
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Sorta. It looks more like a rift in the sea floor is draining the ocean in the area if you can imagine such a thing. They talked about us being surrounded by waterfalls. Perhaps a sort of delayed reaction to the planet being impaled. From the sounds of things, our ships fall into it. There goes the Alliance Naval Superiority that they achieve in 8.1.
Makes sense, since it would be the fulfillment of Ogmot's prophecy about fleets clashing at sea, trouble stirring beneath and general carnage happening.
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Old 11-03-2018, 05:43 AM
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They changed the official recap at some point while I as asleep. Now Zandalari warlocks and Kul Tiran mages were both removed.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...xt-panel-recap
so in other words blizz has no idea what the fuck they are doing lol
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:01 AM
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Hm... now that i think about it, Jaina was sent off to the Kirin Tor to study magic, or maybe went there because SHE wanted to. I don't really remember Kul Tiras having a major mage-like organization; if anything they seem to prefer their tide priests. Maybe "no Kul Tiran Mages" makes more sense than it does on the Jaina-surface... but on the other hand i don't remember a single Kul Tiran Shaman either, unless we squint and call the Resto-spec tide sages.
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:32 AM
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Also Kul Tiras probably hated the human kingdoms that sided with the traitorous Alliance, such as Dalaran.

So important aspects of their cultures (Mages, Paladins) were probably seen as despicable things for years now.
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:36 AM
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Hm... now that i think about it, Jaina was sent off to the Kirin Tor to study magic, or maybe went there because SHE wanted to. I don't really remember Kul Tiras having a major mage-like organization; if anything they seem to prefer their tide priests. Maybe "no Kul Tiran Mages" makes more sense than it does on the Jaina-surface... but on the other hand i don't remember a single Kul Tiran Shaman either, unless we squint and call the Resto-spec tide sages.
The Tidepriests are referred to as mages and they often use arcane and frost magic just like other mages would, when they're not using their corrupted void abilities.

Mages also received two glyphs to turn their elementals into Tidepriest elementals in 8.1, and the Tidepriest sets are cloth.

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They blamed Jaina, not the Alliance. IIRC, it is explicitly stated that they do not hate the rest of the Alliance., They are merely somewhat resentful.
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:05 PM
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The Tidepriests are referred to as mages and they often use arcane and frost magic just like other mages would, when they're not using their corrupted void abilities.

Mages also received two glyphs to turn their elementals into Tidepriest elementals in 8.1, and the Tidepriest sets are cloth.

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They blamed Jaina, not the Alliance. IIRC, it is explicitly stated that they do not hate the rest of the Alliance., They are merely somewhat resentful.
With that in mind it really makes no sense. That said, I was thinking that it wouldn’t be that weird for a bunch of sailors to be superstitious, so they’d stick to magiks that suit their superstitions.
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:22 PM
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The thing is, while their mechanical NPC spells are like a mage's, watching Brother Pike cast rituals during questing doesn't give the impression that he's using arcane magic. It doesn't come across like a mage weaving energy to manipulate water and ice; it comes across like a priest praying to the seas for their aid. Plus they're big on using anchors that function an awful lot like totems, rather than wards and runes and the like.

So it's possible the Tidesages are less a conclave of mages, and more like a water (and sometimes wind/storm) biased shaman group whose spells just cosmetically look like mage spells at times. Even the terminology used feels more "priestly," or at the very least like shaman-speak. Tidesages aren't described as enchanting things the way a mage does; they're said to bless them like a priest or shaman would.

After all, water is water. All mages really do is use the arcane to force reactions from the same elemental forces that a shaman asks for assistance (and seemingly in a manner that doesn't warp and distort those forces the way dark shamanism does.) A shaman could technically cast a frostbolt or ice block by asking the element of water to do so; that wouldn't mean the shaman is suddenly a mage. Mages pretty specifically do things a certain way that makes them not the same as shamans; the more I look at Tidesages' behavior, the more they seem to me like they might be a unique flavor of priestly-looking shamans (or in the case of the corrupted ones, dark shamans.)

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Old 11-03-2018, 01:31 PM
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The thing is, while their mechanical NPC spells are like a mage's, watching Brother Pike cast rituals during questing doesn't give the impression. It doesn't come across like a mage weaving arcane magic to manipulate water and ice; it comes across like a priest praying to the seas for their aid. Plus they're big on using anchors that function an awful lot like totems, rather than wards and runes and the like.

So it's possible the Tidesages are less a conclave of mages, and more like a water-specific shaman group whose spells just cosmetically look like mage spells at times.

After all, water is water. All mages really do is use the arcane to force reactions from the same elemental forces that a shaman asks for assistance (and seemingly in a manner that doesn't warp and distort those forces the way dark shamanism does.) A shaman could technically cast a frostbolt or ice block by asking the element of water to do so; that wouldn't mean the shaman is suddenly a mage. Mages pretty specifically do things a certain way that makes them not the same as shamans; the more I look at Tidesages' behavior, the more they seem to me like they might be a unique flavor of priestly-looking shamans (or in the case of the corrupted ones, dark shamans.)
Maybe, but at the end of the day, unless Kul Tiran shamans get custom spell effects, a shaman is not going to allow you to RP a Tidesage to the same extend that a mage would.
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:40 PM
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Maybe, but at the end of the day, unless Kul Tiran shamans get custom spell effects, a shaman is not going to allow you to RP a Tidesage to the same extend that a mage would.
Wouldn't be the first time NPC's had a class that can't be readily represented by players. We can't really RP as clerics either.
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:49 PM
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@Kul Tiran Mages:


"I agree with you. I'm one voice. I'm loud, though. And I can't be snarky.

We fought back and forth on this. I think part of it is always going to be 'how do they look when they do this thing that's integral to the class, right, like spellcasting'.

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I agree and I would say 'look, if you've got Jaina Proudmoore who's probably the most powerful mage on Azeroth... By Golly, Kul Tirans should be able to be mages as well!'. I may lose this battle, by the way, but I do want to say that I agree and this is just to show you that we're passionate developers and we won't come all and like a bunch of automatons that are all looking at the same thing and agreeing at the same thing. We all have different opinions.

I cannot promise you that Kul Tirans will be mages. But what I can promise you is that we'll have the discussion and maybe they can, maybe they will, maybe they won't, maybe it's some future down the line we'll have some questline where Jaina comes down and smashes Blizzard staff (laughter). I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'll make that questline myself.

But I think that it's always something that we should be talking about, discussing, and we don't do anything out of spite, we do things out passion and love for the game. Even not allowing Kul Tirans to be mages."

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Old 11-03-2018, 04:48 PM
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Metzen actually asked a question at the Q&A:

Q: When is the horde getting its true Warchief back?
A: Thrall? I'm gonna guess there may very well be a job posting up soon on the Orgimmar war board looking for a new warchief. And If there is, we'll call you.

Obviously a bit joking around but yeah, as if we needed confirmation that SYlvanas isn't long for the warchief position at this point...

In regards to classic, items obtained there will not cross over into regular WoW. So anyone thinking they could get the black qiraji bug mount that way, hah.

edit: Apparently the classic thing was mentioned before, so I'm slow. Anyways, some highlights from that video interview Krainz posted:

-Drust were sea-faring Vrykul, no surprise there.
-Loa can come back even if killed or consumed
-Yrel and her crusade may return.

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Old 11-03-2018, 09:26 PM
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WoWhead’s interview
https://www.wowhead.com/news=288404/...ss-island-expe

At the end there’s a nice little nugget about N’Zoth showing “on the horizon in the distant future.

Looks Luke it won’t be a full pivot to Old Gods. Not yet anyway.
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:56 PM
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Female worgen are going to have a glowing eye option like the male worgen, it seems.
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Old 11-04-2018, 01:48 AM
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Female worgen are going to have a glowing eye option like the male worgen, it seems.
I saw a fan edit of such things but there's actually gonna be legit options?
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Old 11-04-2018, 01:39 AM
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Old 11-04-2018, 03:02 PM
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With the announcement of Mecha-Gnomes for Alliance, Vulpera for Horde are all but confirmed.

I know I made some jokes about their furry appeal earlier, but I was just playing around with them in the wowhead dressing room and they have some nice customization options. I'm probably going to play one, if ever re-subscribe again.
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MyMindWontQuiet just posted this on the Discord

From French website Mamytwink's interview with Feasel and Wang, took a while to translate and transcribe

- Nazjatar will use the Timeless Isle's rare mob events system, because they really liked when a rare spawned by surprise and everyone on the isle rushed to it, and banded together to kill it and obtain cool loot

- Another inspiration for Nazjatar is Hellfire Peninsula or Auchindoun, from TBC. Nothing concrete yet but they like the idea of recurrent events where the naga take control of the zone by taking 3 towers. It'd cause terrible effects and you'd feel Azshara's eyes upon you. The idea is that all players would go to the towers to kill the naga and take them back, in a group activity / world event kind of fashion. There could be a PvP aspect to it, it'd be cool if players themselves could take control of the towers in War Mode. And the more points you control, the more War Mode bonuses your faction gets.

- Feasel considers Nazjatar as one, big zone. Mechagon is smaller and more compact, and is built around the megadungeon.

- Nazjatar's vegetation is varied, from corals to thermal vents and kelp forests.

- Vash'jir's architecture was rather elven. Nazjatar has some elven ruins, but it is otherwise really, purely naga, with abyssal, bioluminescent buildings.

- Nazjatar is "very far away". We'll reach it by boat.
- About Mechagon : they really liked the positive feedback on Return to Karazhan. It's a big instance that isn't a raid, and it was interesting to spend so much time in it. Mechagon will have unique loots like Karazhan, and you'll want to return there even in future patches. They're also going to split it into 2 instances because people liked that they did that with Karazhan.

- The VS AI battlegrounds will use the island expedition AI, which is smarter than generic mobs. Though they're still iterating on it.

- They're thinking of ways to better communicate how loots work on island.
- With warfronts being "too easy" for most people, the goal of Heroic warfronts is to really get people to be forged to play together and coordinate their actions. They want people to have to talk and discuss strategies, and back up their NPCs. If you summon a Druid, you'll have to escort it so it doesn't get killed. If you see a big incoming group of enemies, you'll have to return to your base to defend it.

- PvP warfronts were not planned for, but people often ask for them so it gets them to discuss it, though there's nothing planned for now.

- Wintergrasp will too become an Epic battleground.

- They hope Incursions will mesh well with War Mode and give incentive to use it.

- Crucible of Storms: it's the first real tangible evidence that both factions have that a dark power dwelling under the seas is going restless. They find that under the Shrine of the Storms is a huge portion of N'Zoth himself.
- One of the functionalities they want to add in 8.2 is an escort system. You'll make new friends, goblins, giants, etc. and they'd like you to be able to bring them with you, to level them up, and to discover their stories. That goblin isn't any random goblin, he's got a story and you'll find out about it as you spend time in Nazjatar. They want to add quests for each character, chests, and other things to tell their story. - Main race heritage armor questlines are really about the history and legacy of that race. The idea started with something like "if you were a tauren kid in Thunder Bluff, what kind of story would you hear about ?"
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:05 PM
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I just realized the Kul Tirans use those paddle wheel boats because Alliance transports in WCII used paddle wheels.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:08 PM
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According to the Discord, someone met Christie Golden to ask about the status of Gilneas, which she replied with that in her opinion it's currently held by the Horde, specifically Forsaken refugees, but that is just her opinion and that he'd have to ask what the game team thinks.

Now admittedly, this might not sound like the best source of evidence as to what the current status of Gilneas really is, but with how Blizzard has constantly flip-flopped on whether the Alliance is winning or not in the current war and how there are still Gilnean refugees in Stormwind talking about how they wish to live in their homeland once again, I think it's safe to say that the Alliance still aren't settling there, not even for military matters, when one considers how unimportant the mission table has been made into being as well.

I could honestly take this in a number of ways, but for now my suspicions are leading me to think that maybe they want this to be the current lore so that they'll have a good reason to have it retaken by the Worgen with gameplay behind it because just having them reclaim it off-screen in a mission table is perhaps one of the most boring and underwhelming methods of having them win it back. I can only hope that maybe it comes back in the form of the Worgen's heritage armor quest-line, and I think that would be the best way for them to take it back.

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Old 11-04-2018, 10:44 PM
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According to the Discord, someone met Christie Golden to ask about the status of Gilneas, which she replied with that in her opinion it's currently held by the Horde, specifically Forsaken refugees, but that is just her opinion and that he'd have to ask what the game team thinks.

Now admittedly, this might not sound like the best source of evidence as to what the current status of Gilneas really is, but with how Blizzard has constantly flip-flopped on whether the Alliance is winning or not in the current war and how there are still Gilnean refugees in Stormwind talking about how they wish to live in their homeland once again, I think it's safe to say that the Alliance still aren't settling there, not even for military matters, when one considers how unimportant the mission table has been made into being as well.

I could honestly take this in a number of ways, but for now my suspicions are leading me to think that maybe they want this to be the current lore so that they'll have a good reason to have it retaken by the Worgen with gameplay behind it because just having them reclaim it off-screen in a mission table is perhaps one of the most boring and underwhelming methods of having them win it back. I can only hope that maybe it comes back in the form of the Worgen's heritage armor quest-line, and I think that would be the best way for them to take it back.
Wasn't it already stated that Forsaken were occupying it by Before the Storm?
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With the announcement of Mecha-Gnomes for Alliance, Vulpera for Horde are all but confirmed.
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Tina Wang: From an art point of view, we put several ambient elements in place to make this war spirit feel more real.

JF: We're talking about vessels exploring the skies, cities catching on fire, or the Horde piloting a huge Iron Star towards the gates of Boralus to blow the city's fortifications away.


JF: We're talking about vessels exploring the skies, cities catching on fire


CITIES CATCHING  N FIRE


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Old 11-05-2018, 12:09 AM
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Why not Deepsea Jinyu and Junker Gnomes for the Alliance and Gilgoblin and Vulpera for the Horde?
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:53 AM
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I find it interesting. The Horde’s allies in Nazjatar are more or less what the Horde would like to think of itself: a diverse group united by oppression. The Alliance on the other hand allies with a species consumed by vengeance, which is probably a worst-case-scenario path for the Alliance. Half the races in the Alliance have been nearly driven to extinction by enemies, and have ample reason to dedicate themselves to striking back.
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Old 11-05-2018, 06:10 AM
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Hm... now that i think about it, Jaina was sent off to the Kirin Tor to study magic, or maybe went there because SHE wanted to. I don't really remember Kul Tiras having a major mage-like organization; if anything they seem to prefer their tide priests. Maybe "no Kul Tiran Mages" makes more sense than it does on the Jaina-surface... but on the other hand i don't remember a single Kul Tiran Shaman either, unless we squint and call the Resto-spec tide sages.
I'm certain now, and had been mostly certain before the announcement, that Tidesages are supposed to be shaman. There's the fact that the scrolls detailing the origin of the tidesages is almost identical to how draenei learned to be shaman, those anchor vases they use which are called totems in the game files, there's a Horde quest where you're warned that tidesages are masters of earth, wind and fire magic as well as water, and in 8.1 there's a boss which consists of two tidesages summoning a giant earth elemental.
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