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Well, they've proclaimed Donetsk to be an independent republic called the People's Republic of Donetsk, which mirrors the uprising in Kiev that lead to the current revolution regime that controls Kiev.
They also asks Russia to send peacekeeping forces into Donetsk. This can turn more violent.
It could, however, we know that Donetsk is not the relatively homogenous area that was Crimea, and that there have been significant demonstrations against Russian intervention in Donetsk. We also know that these hooligans have been pushed out of the government buildings at least five times
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:45 AM
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It could, however, we know that Donetsk is not the relatively homogenous area that was Crimea, and that there have been significant demonstrations against Russian intervention in Donetsk. We also know that these hooligans have been pushed out of the government buildings at least five times
Congrats, comrade Eagan.
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:59 AM
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:01 AM
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"Design creates culture. Culture shapes values. Values determine the future".
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:04 AM
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:45 AM
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Are you going to protect Ukraine Eagan?
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:53 AM
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Are you going to protect Ukraine Eagan?
I cannot protect Ukraine. I am but a mere peasant, not a partisan.
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:47 AM
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Old 04-09-2014, 12:37 PM
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Pulitzer awarded journalist Seymour M. Hersh claims to have credible sources that the Turks were responsible for providing and training the "syrian" rebels that fired sarin gas in Syria, something the US knew about, which the US tried to use as an excuse for attacking Syria:

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Old 04-10-2014, 06:28 PM
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Old 04-10-2014, 07:23 PM
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Old 04-10-2014, 07:38 PM
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Should be the other way around. Israel has a right to exist but the amount of times people are willing to excuse when Israel does things like say building settlements that hoard 80% of the water for 1%, offer deals where the other side wouldn't have their own water supply roads airspace or control over foreign policy and knowingly use methods that a.) kill more civilians than terrorists and b.) knowingly try to starve innocent people into submission and even ban things like potato chips and coloring books is appalling. Yes some anti semites have used anti zionism to justify their horseshit. But Israel still needs to get knocked down a peg
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:03 PM
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Imagine I've gone through the trouble to post that map you all ignore that shows how Israel is one little speck of dirt surrounded by endless miles of Islamic nations that want to kill all Jews.jpg

While you do that, I'll imagine that you might not ignore the base hypocrisy of the neighboring Islamic nations that gladly pay Palestinians to suicide bomb themselves but won't do shit to offer actual refuge so that the might live.
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:07 PM
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'Go to other countries to live!' Still doesn't sound any better.
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:12 PM
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Imagine I've gone through the trouble to post that map you all ignore that shows how Israel is one little speck of dirt surrounded by endless miles of Islamic nations that want to kill all Jews.jpg

While you do that, I'll imagine that you might not ignore the base hypocrisy of the neighboring Islamic nations that gladly pay Palestinians to suicide bomb themselves but won't do shit to offer actual refuge so that the might live.
Israel has an obscenely powerful military (certainly stronger than the others in the region) a current peace treaty with Egypt

And nobody denies that the surrounding nations are hypocrites. Israel has killed far more civilians than the palestinians ever have, they have knowingly used methods that they know kill civilians and they have also tried to enforce poverty and to make half assed deals. There are many right wing israelis who would cheerfully enact the holocaust on arabs if they could get away with it. Of course there are anti semites on the other side. Both of them are deplorable and its irritating for people to pretend that Israel is some angel rather than a country that knowingly shits on international law, builds settlements that force the locals to live in squalor while the settlers have lush gardens and pools, or that Israel has offered deals that would essentially give them control of the gaza strip west bank and reduce the palestinians to being a south african bantustan. Theres a reason people like Desmond Tutu have called it a partied. It kinda is.

Hamas is scum. But Israel is not much better. Both sides should just accept a single state and make it so that no religion is dominant. Drop the islamic state bullshit, drop the jewish state. a secular state. that's where its at
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:27 PM
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Imagine I've gone through the trouble to post that map you all ignore that shows how Israel is one little speck of dirt surrounded by endless miles of Islamic nations that want to kill all Jews.jpg

While you do that, I'll imagine that you might not ignore the base hypocrisy of the neighboring Islamic nations that gladly pay Palestinians to suicide bomb themselves but won't do shit to offer actual refuge so that the might live.
Half of Jordan's population is made up of Palestinian refugees.

Palestinian refugees have destroyed the traditional demographic balance of Lebanon, causing Christians to become a minority there.

Tons of Palestinians in refugee camps in Syria are now being slaughtered by government and rebel forces there. They also messed up the demographic balance, reducing the share of the Christian and Alawites minorities.

It isn't so simple as you like to say. You can't just move people around and expect it to work out, especially in a region with delicate sectarian balances.

What's more, their home is in Palestine. It isn't in Syria, Jordan or Lebanon. They have a right to live in their homes.
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Hamas is scum. But Israel is not much better. Both sides should just accept a single state and make it so that no religion is dominant. Drop the islamic state bullshit, drop the jewish state. a secular state. that's where its at
Be sure to advise Jordan, Iran, et al similarly.

Israel's aggression pales in comparison to its dirtbag neighbors.
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Old 04-10-2014, 11:33 PM
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Imagine I've gone through the trouble to post that map you all ignore that shows how Israel is one little speck of dirt surrounded by endless miles of Islamic nations that want to kill all Jews.jpg

While you do that, I'll imagine that you might not ignore the base hypocrisy of the neighboring Islamic nations that gladly pay Palestinians to suicide bomb themselves but won't do shit to offer actual refuge so that the might live.
And why should Palestinian whould leave their lands, spoiled by Israelis ?
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Old 04-11-2014, 12:46 AM
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My girlfriend is furious that she's not back in Istanbul to protest about this stuff. It's scary seeing a democratic nation turn despotic so fast. It reminds me of the stories my grandfather told me about Chile falling to Pinochet.
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And why should Palestinian whould leave their lands, spoiled by Israelis ?
To the winner goes the spoils. Life's not fair. But suggesting that Israel should just roll over and become an Islamist state is stupid.
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Old 04-11-2014, 12:50 AM
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To the winner goes the spoils. Life's not fair. But suggesting that Israel should just roll over and become an Islamist state is stupid.
I'm pretty sure no one's suggesting it become an Islamic state. Plenty of people are calling for it to be a secular state. But of course, evangelical Christians would never have that as that would slow down the end of the world.
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Old 04-11-2014, 12:52 AM
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To the winner goes the spoils. Life's not fair. But suggesting that Israel should just roll over and become an Islamist state is stupid.
It's pretty crazy how people forget the way of things but pretty much none of the nations we inhabit now were founded by trading biscuits with each other and seeing who gives the best cuddles. Israel has the military power and political connections to remain where they are it's the simple fact of the matter.
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