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Old 06-09-2011, 07:45 AM
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Default Are gnomes steampunk?

What is steampunk you ask?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk

Would you guys say that by this site's definition, gnomes technology/culture is steampunk based?
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:51 AM
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All of Warcraft is steampunk. From gnomes to dwarves to goblins to Gilneas.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:52 AM
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They're Disney Meets Cyberpunk. Forsaken and Worgen are more in line with steampunk. If there was a Medieval Punk, that'd be Dwarves.

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Old 06-09-2011, 07:54 AM
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They're Disney Meets Cyberpunk. Forsaken and Worgen are more in line with steampunk.
Maybe forsaken, not sure about worgen, they're more realistic victorian london. Which I guess would include some steampunk.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:57 AM
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We never see expanded Worgen technology, despite countless claims of their "industrialized society". They're Victorian, which is half the whole Steampunk motif. Adding wacky contraptions gets them the other half.
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Old 06-09-2011, 10:05 AM
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"Steam" refers to a retro-futuristic Victorian aesthetic where external combustion engines and related technologies became more advanced and prevalent than they did.

"Punk" refers to a specific kind of dystopian setting, where the related technology is used, often with oppressive and negative connotations.

So no, they have steam engines and pipes everywhere, but it is not steampunk.

Though going by Wikipedia's definition *shudder*, I may be confusing steampunk with "cyberpunk in other eras".
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Pretty much what Revenant said. There's little to no steam in gnomish construction and they're definitely not "punk". They're retro-futuristic weird science, like the kind you'd find in 20s-40s pulp magazines.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:37 PM
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Tv tropes explains it best Punk Punk from Stone Punk to Bio Punk

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Technology (and/or Magitech)...

... is ubiquitous and, in retro-futuristic settings, considerably more advanced than that available in the corresponding period.

... is a means to control the public. The actual form of government varies, but it is usually somewhat sinister and oppressive (Dystopia, duh?).
... provides some kind of medium for global or at least wide-ranging communication that is driven by research and/or business, piggybacked by military/political needs.
... is a strategic resource. In our timeline, this started in the 19th century with railroads, the telegraph, and the machine gun; in later settings wars are lost and won in cyberspace, before the army even leaves its barracks. Speaking of the army, while most of the soldiers are using relatively crude weaponry, there will often be an organization whose units pack state-of-the-art weapons and equipment for black-ops work.
... can make people stronger, faster, more perceptive, etc for instance through body modifications/prosthetics. The science of medicine is typically quite sophisticated.
... can create Artificial Humans, Clockwork Creatures, or Ridiculously Human Robots.
... is developed with little regard for harmful consequences to society or nature.
Accordying to my analysis green is what correponds to gnomes, red doesn't and yellow i don't know
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I'd actually say that Azeroth is a modern day setting with medieval achronisms and magic. Like, it's modern in almost everything, except that wars are still fought with swords. Modern thinking, modern technology, modern science. Wars are still fought out with swords and sticks (and magic).

Well, that's my view anyway.
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I'd actually say that Azeroth is a modern day setting with medieval achronisms and magic. Like, it's modern in almost everything, except that wars are still fought with swords. Modern thinking, modern technology, modern science. Wars are still fought out with swords and sticks (and magic).

Well, that's my view anyway.
That's pretty much what I've been saying for a long, long time. I'm of the opinion that as soon as your setting lets women wear pants and peasants run small businesses instead of foraging in mud and shit all day, you're essentially modern.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:51 AM
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Pretty much what Revenant said. There's little to no steam in gnomish construction and they're definitely not "punk". They're retro-futuristic weird science, like the kind you'd find in 20s-40s pulp magazines.
Couldn't agree more. They use ornithopters for god sakes rather than dirigibles.

Steampunk relies more on the views of yesterdays tomorrow through the eyes and minds of victorian england. NOTHING they have even remotely links to those ideals other than the fact they may have used gears once or twice. Thats sort of like suggesting that America is a galactic civilization ruling the stars because the flag has stars on it.

Ideology: Not steampunk, Aesthetics: Not steampunk, History: Not steampunk, World: Not steampunk, Techology: Not steampunk. Conclusion: Not steampunk
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If they are not Steampunk, obviously, what are they? I love Gnomes, I even love Gnomeregan. Their attitude and clockwork technology feels very very familiar though, as though it's a motif that's lifted from something else.
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If they are not Steampunk, obviously, what are they? I love Gnomes, I even love Gnomeregan. Their attitude and clockwork technology feels very very familiar though, as though it's a motif that's lifted from something else.
That's ClockPunk
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If they are not Steampunk, obviously, what are they? I love Gnomes, I even love Gnomeregan. Their attitude and clockwork technology feels very very familiar though, as though it's a motif that's lifted from something else.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeirdScience
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