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Old 05-19-2014, 04:32 PM
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State schools should not have sports programs. If a private uni wants to spend its tuition and endowments on sports, fine, but as a taxpayer I want my money that goes to a university to go to its stated purpose of education and getting slutty coeds to star in pornos.
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State schools should not have sports programs. If a private uni wants to spend its tuition and endowments on sports, fine, but as a taxpayer I want my money that goes to a university to go to its stated purpose of education and getting slutty coeds to star in pornos.
I don't think it's wrong to have some sports at schools but we're going to get out what we put into this.

If we put money into the schools but the majority of that goes to sports making money... and then that money just goes to more sports and not y'know, new desks and books and shit, then what's the point?

You're going to have a relatively small number of people that move on to play in College and Professionally, what about everyone else?
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Old 05-19-2014, 05:03 PM
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I don't think it's wrong to have some sports at schools but we're going to get out what we put into this.

If we put money into the schools but the majority of that goes to sports making money... and then that money just goes to more sports and not y'know, new desks and books and shit, then what's the point?

You're going to have a relatively small number of people that move on to play in College and Professionally, what about everyone else?
At the small private liberal arts school I went to and work at we have about 30% of the student body playing Division 3 sports with D1 men and women's hockey. Student athletes tend to do slightly better academically based on GPA (and outside of men's hockey no one cares enough to give you special treatment). It's extremely rare that the top grad is an athlete, and they aren't as well represented in Phi Beta Kappa, but generally wanting to play helps them keep their shit together and quite a few get into good graduate programs. Plus they theoretically get all those sportsmanship and teamwork things. And athletes tend to donate more as alumni than others, too. Not sure if that's because they end up wealthier on average or if they feel more of a connection, but that's the trend.

The aspect of it I don't like is that colleges like mine are in an arms race when it comes to facilities, because we're all trying to attract the same cohort of bright and wealthy prospective students, and sometimes it really does come down to who has the nicer squash court. So the athletic facilities get overhauled way more than the academic buildings even though we're only D3.
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At the small private liberal arts school I went to and work at we have about 30% of the student body playing Division 3 sports with D1 men and women's hockey. Student athletes tend to do slightly better academically based on GPA (and outside of men's hockey no one cares enough to give you special treatment). It's extremely rare that the top grad is an athlete, and they aren't as well represented in Phi Beta Kappa, but generally wanting to play helps them keep their shit together and quite a few get into good graduate programs. Plus they theoretically get all those sportsmanship and teamwork things. And athletes tend to donate more as alumni than others, too. Not sure if that's because they end up wealthier on average or if they feel more of a connection, but that's the trend.

The aspect of it I don't like is that colleges like mine are in an arms race when it comes to facilities, because we're all trying to attract the same cohort of bright and wealthy prospective students, and sometimes it really does come down to who has the nicer squash court. So the athletic facilities get overhauled way more than the academic buildings even though we're only D3.
Interesting. Not entirely sure whether you're using that as evidence for a stance, or simply relating experience, but interesting.
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Interesting. Not entirely sure whether you're using that as evidence for a stance, or simply relating experience, but interesting.
I just wanted to point out that even for schools that don't have a nationally competitive D1 brand, investment in athletics and related facilities can more than pay for itself. In principle the idea of graduating a lot of true scholar athletes is very appealing to me, but what happens in some of the bigger national programs where the academic requirements are extremely watered down to keep people focused on sports 24/7 isn't right at all.

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I just wanted to point out that even for schools that don't have a nationally competitive D1 brand, investment in athletics and related facilities ends up more than paying for itself. In principle the idea of graduating a lot of true scholar athletes is very appealing to me, but what happens in some of the bigger national programs where the academic requirements are extremely watered down to keep people focused on sports 24/7 isn't right at all.
Do we have actual measurements for how much they generate and put back in?


Plus it'd help if the local stuff were actually done... well.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...m-shuttered-a/
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Old 05-19-2014, 06:01 PM
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Do we have actual measurements for how much they generate and put back in?


Plus it'd help if the local stuff were actually done... well.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...m-shuttered-a/
I'm not sure how reliable this is but here are the revenue and expenses of many colleges.

http://espn.go.com/ncaa/revenue

The Longhorns had about 10 million in profit from their athletic programs.

Also, I've heard that basketball and football programs are pretty much the only profitable programs and they end up funding the other athletic programs.
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Also, I've heard that basketball and football programs are pretty much the only profitable programs and they end up funding the other athletic programs.
This is the section I'd really be interested in, how is the profit divided up?
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Old 05-19-2014, 06:25 PM
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This is the section I'd really be interested in, how is the profit divided up?
Here's an article that talks about it.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmo...college-level/
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Old 05-19-2014, 06:29 PM
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Here's an article that talks about it.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmo...college-level/
Very cool. Thanks.
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Old 05-23-2014, 06:26 AM
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Mike Rowe gives good advice to people that can't find a job.

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I’ve spent this last year trying to figure out the right career for myself and I still can’t figure out what to do. I have always been a hands on kind of guy and a go-getter. I could never be an office worker. I need change, excitement, and adventure in my life, but where the pay is steady. I grew up in construction and my first job was a restoration project. I love everything outdoors. I play music for extra money. I like trying pretty much everything, but get bored very easily. I want a career that will always keep me happy, but can allow me to have a family and get some time to travel. I figure if anyone knows jobs its you so I was wondering your thoughts on this if you ever get the time! Thank you!

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Hi Parker,

My first thought is that you should learn to weld and move to North Dakota. The opportunities are enormous, and as a “hands-on go-getter,” you’re qualified for the work. But after reading your post a second time, it occurs to me that your qualifications are not the reason you can’t find the career you want.

I had drinks last night with a woman I know. Let’s call her Claire. Claire just turned 42. She’s cute, smart, and successful. She’s frustrated though, because she can’t find a man. I listened all evening about how difficult her search has been. About how all the “good ones” were taken. About how her other friends had found their soul-mates, and how it wasn’t fair that she had not.

“Look at me,” she said. “I take care of myself. I’ve put myself out there. Why is this so hard?”

“How about that guy at the end of the bar,” I said. “He keeps looking at you.”

“Not my type.”

“Really? How do you know?”

“I just know.”

“Have you tried a dating site?” I asked.

“Are you kidding? I would never date someone I met online!”

“Alright. How about a change of scene? Your company has offices all over – maybe try living in another city?”

“What? Leave San Francisco? Never!”

“How about the other side of town? You know, mix it up a little. Visit different places. New museums, new bars, new theaters…?”

She looked at me like I had two heads. “Why the hell would I do that?”

Here’s the thing, Parker. Claire doesn’t really want a man. She wants the “right” man. She wants a soul-mate. Specifically, a soul-mate from her zip code. She assembled this guy in her mind years ago, and now, dammit, she’s tired of waiting!!

I didn’t tell her this, because Claire has the capacity for sudden violence. But it’s true. She complains about being alone, even though her rules have more or less guaranteed she’ll stay that way. She has built a wall between herself and her goal. A wall made of conditions and expectations. Is it possible that you’ve built a similar wall?

Consider your own words. You don’t want a career – you want the “right” career. You need “excitement” and “adventure,” but not at the expense of stability. You want lots of “change” and the “freedom to travel,” but you need the certainty of “steady pay.” You talk about being “easily bored” as though boredom is out of your control. It isn’t. Boredom is a choice. Like tardiness. Or interrupting. It’s one thing to “love the outdoors,” but you take it a step further. You vow to “never” take an office job. You talk about the needs of your family, even though that family doesn’t exist. And finally, you say the career you describe must “always” make you “happy.”

These are my thoughts. You may choose to ignore them and I wouldn’t blame you – especially after being compared to a 42 year old woman who can’t find love. But since you asked…

Stop looking for the “right” career, and start looking for a job. Any job. Forget about what you like. Focus on what’s available. Get yourself hired. Show up early. Stay late. Volunteer for the scut work. Become indispensable. You can always quit later, and be no worse off than you are today. But don’t waste another year looking for a career that doesn’t exist. And most of all, stop worrying about your happiness. Happiness does not come from a job. It comes from knowing what you truly value, and behaving in a way that’s consistent with those beliefs.
Many people today resent the suggestion that they’re in charge of the way the feel. But trust me, Parker. Those people are mistaken. That was a big lesson from Dirty Jobs, and I learned it several hundred times before it stuck. What you do, who you’re with, and how you feel about the world around you, is completely up to you.

Good luck -
Mike

P.S. I’m serious about welding and North Dakota. Those guys are writing their own ticket.

P.P.S. Think I should forward this to Claire?
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Old 06-05-2014, 02:13 PM
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Group of researchers ran this interesting field experiment. They emailed more than 6,500 professors at the top 250 schools pretending to be the students. And they wrote letters saying, I really admire your work. Would you have some time to meet? The letters to the faculty were all identical, but the names of the students were all different. [...] Brad Anderson. Meredith Roberts. Lamar Washington. LaToya Brown. Juanita Martinez. Deepak Patel, Sonali Desai, Chang Wong, Mei Chen. [...]
All they were measuring was how often professors wrote back agreeing to meet with the students. And what they found was there were very large disparities. Women and minorities [were] systematically less likely to get responses from the professors and also less likely to get positive responses from the professors. Now remember, these are top faculty at the top schools in the United States and the letters were all impeccably written.
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Why would they do that?
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Why would they do that?
The general consensus I've seen is that students with foreign names have their emails deleted because it's sometimes assumed they're asking for Visas or something.

Most of the time I would wager that it's unintentional though.
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The general consensus I've seen is that students with foreign names have their emails deleted because it's sometimes assumed they're asking for Visas or something.

Most of the time I would wager that it's unintentional though.
What about the female names and how are people with gender neutral names treated?
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What about the female names and how are people with gender neutral names treated?
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"Stay humble" sounds like a nice and necessary message, but I won't watch the video so I can't say how well I like the way it's framed. I'm just going to choose to believe that it was well conceived and delivered.
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Can dear, sweet Nazja or wise, kindly Kellick merge my thread with this one?

http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/...d.php?t=221306
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Old 09-10-2017, 06:52 AM
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"Stay humble" sounds like a nice and necessary message, but I won't watch the video so I can't say how well I like the way it's framed. I'm just going to choose to believe that it was well conceived and delivered.
I feel like it is a speech that could never happen on most college campuses but here it is a commencement speech. A lot of it boiled down to being a college graduate doesn't mean you can tell the non-college educated what to do. That good judgement comes from experience which comes from bad judgement. Sometimes you will be wrong and make mistakes. A lot of talking TV personalities that are only famous for being famous will tell you how to think but most of them couldn't even pass basic freshmen classes.
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Old 09-10-2017, 09:29 AM
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PajamaSalad is from America? I would have thought, like, Narnia.

I think social skills - ethics, emotional control, empathy, conflict resolution, and basic psychology should all be part of the early education system.
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Old 09-10-2017, 05:53 PM
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PajamaSalad is from America? I would have thought, like, Narnia.

I think social skills - ethics, emotional control, empathy, conflict resolution, and basic psychology should all be part of the early education system.
All American!

I think these kind of things are difficult to teach in a class room setting. They are the kind of things learned through experience.
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Old 09-11-2017, 01:24 AM
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I forgot Internet Ettiquette, if they don't teach something like that in school these days then shame shame!
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