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Old 12-27-2013, 06:48 PM
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I mentioned it in the other book thread, it was Pillars of Creation by Terry Goodkind. I'm told it's a bad book for introducing myself to that world, but it wasn't really the world building that bothered me, I didn't like the writing or characterization (stupid characters with stupid plans that always work out. Ending like an episode of scooby doo, etc, etc)
Ohh, yeah. I've heard decidedly mixed things about that series (Goodkind apparently gets quite preachy in the later books). I'm pretty burned out on epic multi-volume fantasy anyway, so I doubt I'll give it a try.
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Old 12-27-2013, 06:50 PM
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Ive haven't got the time to read a lot during my session and the books have accumulated so I find myself wondering wich one I want to read first. I will probably go with LotR since I always wanted to read it without having the time to do so. Either that or a couple Agatha Christie.

In the meantime, im reading SoL. Just looking at the chapters is extremely exciting.
-A glass of whine
-Tears like rain
-Where whiners go
-Crying out loud
-Trolls by the dozen
-Storm of bans
-A need for hugs
-Tricky Mustrum
-And much much more exciting chapters name

I will make this a series eventually!
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:17 PM
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So SoL What are you reading currently?
Star Trek - Department of Temporal Investigation 2
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Star Trek - Voyager Relaunch: Homecoming (stopped reading it - sadly, it sucks)

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In the meantime, im reading SoL. Just looking at the chapters is extremely exciting.
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-Tears like rain
-Where whiners go
-Crying out loud
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-And much much more exciting chapters name

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I mentioned it in the other book thread, it was Pillars of Creation by Terry Goodkind. I'm told it's a bad book for introducing myself to that world, but it wasn't really the world building that bothered me, I didn't like the writing or characterization (stupid characters with stupid plans that always work out. Ending like an episode of scooby doo, etc, etc)
Pillars of Creation is a horrible one to start with.

Goodkind isn't the best author, but he also doesn't deserve the hate he gets.. Though he can get a bit....preachy...at times.

It's best to start at Wizard's First Rule, though in truth the Imperial Order just didn't have the same type of overt threat and feel Rahl had.

Not that it really matters in the end. It was a fairly central theme in The Law of Nines that the world ends up a shit hole anyway.
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Old 12-27-2013, 09:52 PM
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Recently got one of my friends into the Heralds of Valdemar series by Mercedes Lackey. She can sometimes be a bit preachy, but it's refreshing to read something (mostly) optimistic in the face of all the Grimdark and depressing stuff that's been steadily on the rise.
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:06 AM
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:26 AM
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I read a little bit of Galeano a while ago. I remember him offering a defense of Francisco Solano Lopez as someone who opposed foreign hegemony in Latin America. You must know a lot more about that than do I, so I'd be curious to hear your take on this (though I'm not sure if he covered it in that book).
He didn't covered yet (I'm still reading the book).

However, Galeano is a leftist and pro-communist. The Open Veins... was written in the early 70's, when he still hoped the Cuban Revolution would eventually create something good (thought it criticizes some of its actions).

The Open Veins... is a chronicle of the sacking of Latin America by colonial power and later, capitalism. How the countries and its population were shaped to serve the economical interests of the "developed world". I like the book because it has TONS of citations for everysingle thing. But I don't like the Galeano esentially puts all the guilt on foreign nations, and doesn't criticize (at least a far as I've read) the Latinamerican societies: it seems to him like Latinamerican are empty entities that just react t others' needs and demands.
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:08 AM
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He didn't covered yet (I'm still reading the book).

However, Galeano is a leftist and pro-communist. The Open Veins... was written in the early 70's, when he still hoped the Cuban Revolution would eventually create something good (thought it criticizes some of its actions).

The Open Veins... is a chronicle of the sacking of Latin America by colonial power and later, capitalism. How the countries and its population were shaped to serve the economical interests of the "developed world". I like the book because it has TONS of citations for everysingle thing. But I don't like the Galeano esentially puts all the guilt on foreign nations, and doesn't criticize (at least a far as I've read) the Latinamerican societies: it seems to him like Latinamerican are empty entities that just react t others' needs and demands.
That was the impression of Galeano that I got. I try to sometimes read accounts from people with viewpoints contrary to my own (but I'll admit I only occasionally have the patience for this).

EDIT: Contrary in that Galeano's part of the far left, while I'm centrist (left in some areas, right in others). I agree with him that Latin America has frequently been exploited (which is historical fact), though as you say the truth is more nuanced.
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Old 12-28-2013, 03:01 PM
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Recently bought Devices and Desires by K. J. Parker. The title makes it sound like an erotic tale of steampunk bondage romance, but its summary tells me differently.
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Old 12-29-2013, 03:12 AM
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Can anyone recommend some good sci-fi novels? I have read most of Clarke and Asimov(both were awesome writers), and want some modern ones now.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:22 AM
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Try Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space trilogy. It's a hard SF series with some transhuman themes.

While I'm not sure if it qualifies as modern (it was written in the '70s), The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, is the best first contact novel I've read.
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Finally decided to go with Dracula and I must say it's a pretty good book. I like it.
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The Politics Thread is talking about the American Civil War and it's time period, including the Utah War just beforehand. Well... I'm about two-and-a-half books away from finishing the Timeline-191 series, by Harry Turtledove. I started it in high school with How Few Remain but have lost track since then.

The premise of the entire series is that, during the American Civil War, the Confederate Special Order 191 was never lost and recovered by Union General McClellan. As a result, the Battle of Antietam never happens and is replaced by a different battle in which Robert E. Lee scores a major Confederate victory, positioning his army in Philadelphia. Without the show of Union strength at Antietam, Lincoln can't release the Emancipation Proclamation without it looking like an act of desperation. And finally, with the Army of Northern Virginia behind Washington, D.C. and in striking distance, Great Britain and France force the U.S. to make peace with the Confederacy. Kentucky and Sequoyah (Oklahoma) also became Confederate States.

How Few Remain is the first book in the series, taking place in 1881. Lincoln is reviled as a presidential failure, the Confederacy has purchased Cuba from Spain, France has consolidated its puppet regime in Mexico, and now Confederacy is purchasing the Mexican states of Chihuahua and Sonora to gain a Pacific coastline. A war breaks out over the latter action; it becomes a brutal slugfest that ends in 1882 when Britain and France (including British Canada) intervene and pressure the U.S. to surrender. Plus there's a Mormon Rebellion in Utah, supported by the Confederates, that eventually gets put down. Lincoln separates from the Republicans to form the Socialist Party in the United States. Confederate President James Longstreet, in gratitude to British and French aid in the war, begins the process for manumission--freeing the Confederacy's slaves. The U.S., bitter over two humiliating defeats and having its country ripped apart, grows diplomatically closer to the German Empire.

The Great War books are the high point of the series, for me. They can be summarized as: World War I with the Confederate States in the Entente Powers (with Britain, France, Russia, Japan, Mexico, British Canada, and later Argentina) and the United States in the Central Powers (with Germany, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and later Brazil and Chile). President Theodore Roosevelt leads the USA, and President Woodrow Wilson leads the CSA. Plus another Mormon rebellion in Utah. But that's nothing compared to the COMMUNIST AFRICAN AMERICAN REBELLION in the Confederacy. Both rebellions fail, of course. Maybe I just like these books because I like World War I politics, or maybe there's just something satisfying about reading an early 1900s U.S. pissed off at the Entente powers and ready to join the Kaiser in invading a hostile continent.

Then there's the American Empire books, handling the years between the world wars. Vindicated United States, having reannexed Kentucky and created a new state out of western Texas. Canada occupied by U.S. forces. Puppet states crafted by the Central Powers include Poland, Ireland, and Québec. A defeated Confederacy, saddled with reparations and veering toward the early 20th century's scarier political movements (along with Britain and France, the former of which will have Churchill and Mosley cooperating and the latter of which will reinstate a monarchy). The Tsar having narrowly avoided political collapse, in Russia. Mexican Civil War with Monarchists (CS supported) defeating the Republicans (US supported) and maintaining power. Spanish Civil War with the Nationalists (Britain and France supported) defeating the Monarchists (German supported) and seizing the country. Other stuff happens, including appeasement.

And now I'm finishing up the Settling Accounts books, with its version of World War II. There's another Mormon rebellion, naturally.


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Old 12-30-2013, 03:49 AM
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'I have no mouth and I must scream' was written by Harlan Ellison right? He wrote one of the best Star Trek episodes, 'The City on the Edge of Forever'.
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:07 AM
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'I have no mouth and I must scream' was written by Harlan Ellison right? He wrote one of the best Star Trek episodes, 'The City on the Edge of Forever'.
Yeah. I'm not the biggest fan of Ellison, but I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream was quite excellent.
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About 100 or so pages into Devices and Desires.


My gut was right about it; complex politics with deliciously detailed descriptions of how its machines work. The world is very interesting. There's a merchant empire that holds a monopoly on all things machine in this world. It's not quite steampunk; more like a medieval society figured out that things like interchangeable parts and mass production were worth investing in. The rest of the world still lives in a primitive Feudal society.

The catch is: In order to maintain their monopoly on technology, the before-mentioned empire does not allow any if its skilled workers to ever leave the city, and improving upon or deviating from Specification (300-year-old rules on how you are to make specific types of machines) is a crime punishable by death. That's where the story picks up. One of their weapon manufacturers, specializing in Scorpions, made a mechanical doll for his daughter's 6th birthday that deviated from Specification. He was subsequently caught, tried, and sentenced to death, but escaped and now intends revenge.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:29 AM
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Pillars of Creation is a horrible one to start with.

Goodkind isn't the best author, but he also doesn't deserve the hate he gets.. Though he can get a bit....preachy...at times.

It's best to start at Wizard's First Rule, though in truth the Imperial Order just didn't have the same type of overt threat and feel Rahl had.

Not that it really matters in the end. It was a fairly central theme in The Law of Nines that the world ends up a shit hole anyway.
Have to agree here having loved the series for a very long time (I even loved the Tv series ). It might say a lot about me since i know his writing style is far from perfect but i dunno i have just always enjoyed his books and continue to do so . I love how he portrays prophesies if i was to highlight one aspect outright.

I do wish that the Guild Wars series had more books >.<. I am quite the opposite to most as i freaking love book series that last long and have many books involved. It would have to be a freaking awesome book for me to enjoy and be satisfied with a single one (partly my issue as i hate leaving good universes behind ).
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Yeah. I'm not the biggest fan of Ellison, but I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream was quite excellent.
Why? Ellison is awesome as a writer, even though as a person, he is quite short tempered and arrogant.
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Why? Ellison is awesome as a writer, even though as a person, he is quite short tempered and arrogant.
I don't think he's a bad writer, but his stories don't usually work for me (though it's been many years since I've last read any, so I should probably give him another shot).
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I just finished Gateway. A pretty solid read all around. The central conceit is that humans discover an artificial asteroid orbiting Venus that was built by a long-departed alien race. The asteroid, dubbed Gateway, is full of FTL alien ships. The catch? No one's been able to figure out how the alien navigation systems work. You can choose one of the available destinations, but you have no idea what you'll find at the other end.

Some ships don't come back. Some do, but with their crews long dead (the return process is automated). Other times the crew members are alive, but are crippled or insane. Still, you can get a lot of money if you find something good on the other side.

The protagonist spends a little too long messing around in Gateway station for my liking, but the actual exploration process is suitably terrifying (he doesn't skimp on the details either, like how bad the tiny alien ships would smell after holding five people on a three month journey). The story's a bit more personally focused, which wasn't bad though not quite what I wanted out of the book.
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I don't think he's a bad writer, but his stories don't usually work for me (though it's been many years since I've last read any, so I should probably give him another shot).
How about City on the Edge of Forever, widely considered one of the best Star Trek episodes ever?
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