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Old 04-19-2014, 10:23 AM
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Waking up at 6-7-8 am to go to school is not early. It's only early if you stayed up after 9-11 pm till after midnight or in the early AM. If you're staying up that late then complaining about being tired in the morning.. go to bed earlier?

Sheesh, complaining about getting up early.. Kids these days..
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Strangely enough sending your teenager to bed earlier won't help. That's because the circadian rhythm of a child's body changes at puberty.

Circadian rhythm is the internal body clock that regulates biological processes in a 24 hour cycle. This internal clock is controlled by two pin-head sized structures in the brain called the suprachiasmatic nucleus or SCN.

The SCN ensures certain body functions work in harmony with our sleep wake cycle including body temperature, urine production, and hormone secretion like melatonin which is key to helping us sleep.

So you know how you feel when you get jet lagged - when your cirdadian rhythm is disrupted? Well - when we wake up teenagers too early that's what it's like for them. Because when children hit puberty they experience a shift in their natural sleep-wake cycles

This shift means that adolescents have trouble going to sleep early, will stay up late, and would get up late if we let them. Plus studies also show this shift makes them excessively sleepy in the morning.
http://www.medicaldiscoverynews.com/shows/crt.html
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:24 AM
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Yeeeaaah. I'm sure that the ability to read and do math is really, really worse than starting to work at the age of 14 and never really learning to read.
What? Seems we're talking about different things. Read my earlier post, I agree with you in that regard.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:44 AM
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I would say it has gone worse, mainstreaming how one perceives the world in such a way that thinking outside of the box becomes rarer. I'm a great critic of the current state of modern science. It's more dogma and imagination than science.
I'd like to know what qualifications you have in order to make statements like this.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:59 AM
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I'd like to know what qualifications you have in order to make statements like this.
No one has any credentials, certainly not enough to make any statement. That's the way the world goes.
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Old 04-19-2014, 11:14 AM
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No one has any credentials, certainly not enough to make any statement. That's the way the world goes.
How should we solve problems and personal conflicts though?
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Old 04-19-2014, 11:16 AM
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How should we solve problems and personal conflicts though?
Intangible problems can only be solved with intangible solutions.
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Old 04-19-2014, 11:17 AM
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I'd like to know what qualifications you have in order to make statements like this.
It's the conclusion from 27 years of information gathering. There is no ""qualifications" for making statesments like that, really. There will never exist someone with enough knowledge and understanding to grasp the entire picture.
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Old 04-20-2014, 06:10 AM
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It's the conclusion from 27 years of information gathering. There is no ""qualifications" for making statesments like that, really. There will never exist someone with enough knowledge and understanding to grasp the entire picture.
How is the Swedish education system?
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Old 04-20-2014, 06:20 AM
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How is the Swedish education system?
Horrible. They struggle to learn children elementary stuff like reading, writing and math. It seems to be more important to put a genus perspective to it than teach them anything usefull.
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Waking up at 6-7-8 am to go to school is not early. It's only early if you stayed up after 9-11 pm till after midnight or in the early AM. If you're staying up that late then complaining about being tired in the morning.. go to bed earlier?

Sheesh, complaining about getting up early.. Kids these days..
As children get older, up until they're in their early twenties, their production of melatonin comes later and later in the day for them. Teenagers naturally should go to bed around 1 AM according to their bodies' natural rhythms.
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:49 PM
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As children get older, up until they're in their early twenties, their production of melatonin comes later and later in the day for them. Teenagers naturally should go to bed around 1 AM according to their bodies' natural rhythms.
Are we sure this isn't excuse making.
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Are we sure this isn't excuse making.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbo...rs/sleep.shtml
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Old 04-23-2014, 08:13 PM
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Is the American education model based off of the Prussian one?
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Old 04-23-2014, 08:15 PM
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Is the American education model based off of the Prussian one?
It isn't. In fact, the Japanese educational system was based off the Prussian model, until after the Second World War, when the Americans replaced it with their own.

Americans don't have gymnasium, or the various lower ranks of schools, or the abitur.

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Old 04-23-2014, 08:24 PM
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Is the American education model based off of the Prussian one?
To a certain degree, yeah. It's not an exact copy, but there's more similarities then differences.
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To a certain degree, yeah. It's not an exact copy, but there's more similarities then differences.
There are many, many, more differences than similarities. Where are you getting that idea?
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Old 04-24-2014, 02:35 PM
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http://www.education.com/magazine/ar...means-parents/

Has interesting information about the United State's public school system. Some things that stuck out to me.
  • According to Waiting for Superman, from 1971 to today, America has gone from spending an average of $4,300 per student to $9,000 per student, (adjusting for inflation). Though money doubled, reading and math scores have flat-lined. And US schools produce lower test scores than many comparable countries despite spending more on education than any other country
  • What’s more, although America is falling behind in math, our kids are first in confidence. American students get terrible math scores compared to their international peers, but they think they’re great in math—in fact, they have more confidence in their math skills than students from any other country.
  • No one denies that teaching is a hard gig. But the point made in Superman is this: some teachers are just not meant for the job. In most fields, people who prove they’re incompetent are stripped of their credentials. But teaching, the film says, is the exception. For example, in Illinois, one in every 57 doctors and one in every 97 lawyers lose their license, but only 1 in 2,500 teachers lose their credentials. The reason? Big union contracts that give every teacher tenure after 2 years, regardless of how good they are.
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Old 04-24-2014, 02:51 PM
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That's nothing. More than 20% of university students in Sweden fails math of High school level.
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Old 04-24-2014, 03:59 PM
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That's nothing. More than 20% of university students in Sweden fails math of High school level.
I would've failed high school level maths when I was in university as well, because I've never been good at maths. That isn't my speciality, and never has been. Didn't stop me from getting into a top-bracket university and doing well within my field.
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I would've failed high school level maths when I was in university as well, because I've never been good at maths. That isn't my speciality, and never has been. Didn't stop me from getting into a top-bracket university and doing well within my field.
Well, are math part of the field you studied at university?
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Well, are math part of the field you studied at university?
Not an ounce of maths involved.
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Not an ounce of maths involved.
Was it silly goober studies.
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Was it silly goober studies.
I'm not going to open myself to attack by elements who disapprove of the liberal arts by revealing my concentration. Down with science, and down with maths!
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Not an ounce of maths involved.
So why then did you comment at all? These student failed courses with math as an integral part of it.
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Old 04-25-2014, 05:36 AM
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I'm not going to open myself to attack by elements who disapprove of the liberal arts by revealing my concentration. Down with science, and down with maths!
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