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Old 03-16-2016, 04:00 PM
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-The dreadlord homeworld is called Nathreza. It's not the world they were worshipping the void lords on mentioned in Chronicle.
If the dreadlords have a homeworld does it mean they are not part of the "original" demons ? Are they yet another race that ascended to demonhood through massive fel usage ? Or are there worlds in the Twisting Neither that bear fel based lifeforms the way those of the material world do ?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:04 PM
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The fact Illidan gets a new model in Legion tells you everything you need to know that he's going to come back into mortal form at some point.

It's like how Vol'jin got a new model in the same expansion we killed Garrosh - of course he was going to be Warchief. They don't waste precious art asset time for nothing when it comes to NPCs.
So illidan will be warchief in 8.0?



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Anything about the sha'tar?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:11 PM
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Anything about the sha'tar?
Yes, but what Noitora said about spoiling too much is true, I might leave it at this for now.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:14 PM
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-The book isn't kind to Maiev. Even Akama says she's no better than Illidan.
How not kind is it? Is it a "she's a bad person" or a "she's a messed up person" type unkind?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:16 PM
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Yes, but what Noitora said about spoiling too much is true, I might leave it at this for now.
Isn't this a lore thread, not a blizzard commercial teaser?
No, honestly, I might just not get the point. Explain please
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:16 PM
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How not kind is it? Is it a "she's a bad person" or a "she's a messed up person" type unkind?
If she's no better than Illidan, what are your views on him?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:18 PM
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Not sure how the multiple realities thing will work out, but mostly seems very interesting.

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Kael'thas went rogue shortly after TFT. He went on an exploratory mission to Netherstorm and just vanished.
Seems odd, I'd have expected him to have kept a nominal diplomatic relation with Black Temple. Considering that he sent blood elven demon hunters to be trained by Illidan...

Is there any explanation about the mutual relationships between Tempest Keep, Serpentshrine Cavern, Black Temple, and Shattrath? Vashj seemed to have remained loyal to Illidan until the end; what was her relation to Kael'thas like? What about the attack on Shattrath by Voren'thal's forces? Were the blood elves in Shadowmoon Valley and Black Temple loyal to Illidan exclusively, or did they believe they were serving both Kael'thas and Illidan? If the former, why did they choose Illidan over Kael'thas? How did Leotheras end up with Vashj?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:19 PM
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If she's no better than Illidan, what are your views on him?
Stop bullying me Noit!

And that's also Akama's opinion early on, by the sounds of it. Apparently Akama's not the best character judge...

Also, one might say that they both want to defeat the legion, but each go to opposite extremes trying to defeat it.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:21 PM
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Yes, but what Noitora said about spoiling too much is true, I might leave it at this for now.
hmm ok but does it take up (and does it make his reasons) about picking a fight with shattrath. and such?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:22 PM
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Overall, do you feel that this book addresses the things the Illidari did during BC? Do you think there are any notable retcons from the questing?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:24 PM
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-Illidan's master plan which would have succeeded if a raid group didn't kill him, was to open a portal to Argus and kill Archimonde and Kil'jaeden there.
Is it outright stated that it would have succeeded? Or that it would have had a chance of succeeding? Because I don't see Illidan killing Archimonde and Kil'jaeden...
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:30 PM
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Kael'thas went rogue shortly after TFT. He went on an exploratory mission to Netherstorm and just vanished.
Thank you for your reply. Can't wait to read how that all comes about in the novel.

This is also weird to me. What does this new information say about the Eclipsion forces in Shadowmoon during the BC questing experience? If Kael severed his ties with Illidan's forces and went rogue, then those Blood Elves in the Eclipsion couldn't have been a token force that Kael left behind; that makes no sense. Did they pull a Voren'thal and become seperate to Kael'thas?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:35 PM
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I'll reserve my final judgement on the "one Legion for al the timelines" when I read the actual explanation. Otherwise, it seems non-sensical, when you consider that WoD's AU had its own Kil'jaeden and Archimonde and yet the Archimonde that we fought was apparently ours.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:37 PM
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I don't get how there can be an AU Velen but only one Achimonde and one Kil'jaeden for all timelines. It's too strange.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:39 PM
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How skilled will you say Demon Hunters are? They took on an entire planet of demons and won. Sargeras considered demons to be disorganized and incompetent.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:42 PM
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Quick question whose answer shouldn't spoil too much:

Do other demon races also get new, interesting lore, and if they do, which races?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:46 PM
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How skilled will you say Demon Hunters are? They took on an entire planet of demons and won. Sargeras considered demons to be disorganized and incompetent.
Skilled enough to die like a punk.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:48 PM
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I don't get how there can be an AU Velen but only one Achimonde and one Kil'jaeden for all timelines. It's too strange.
My theory is that once someone becomes a demon, they lock that destiny for all their selves
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:49 PM
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Lots of planets being expanded upon and newly mentioned. Lots of places that they could explore ingame, but I still think Argus will be the most important outter planet, especially now that he mentions KJ and Archi being there, officially making it thier Headquaters.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:51 PM
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The real question is:
Is there only one Illidan, and how will all the ladies be able to cope with the fact that there's only one to go around?
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:55 PM
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How skilled will you say Demon Hunters are? They took on an entire planet of demons and won. Sargeras considered demons to be disorganized and incompetent.
They didn't run in like rambo and defeat everyone, did they? I imagine what they did was kinda like planting a bomb in the basement of a giant building: they didn't openly fight, but just opened a bunch of portals in secret places around the world, which caused an outland-style destruction of it.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:57 PM
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The real question is:
Is there only one Illidan, and how will all the ladies be able to cope with the fact that there's only one to go around?
Speaking of, I heard there's actually an explanation for the Den of Mortal Delights.
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Old 03-16-2016, 04:58 PM
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I was going to correct you on that Archimonde on Argus comment, but then i remembered, hyjal wasnt in the TN.

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Old 03-16-2016, 05:00 PM
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Speaking of, I heard there's actually an explanation for the Den of Mortal Delights.
Isn't the explanation that Illidan was trying to forget Tyrande?
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Old 03-16-2016, 05:12 PM
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was Illidan leading the charge on Nathreza???
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