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Old 03-05-2016, 07:45 PM
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Odyn was appointed Prime Designate as a reward for coming up with the plan to defeat and imprison Yogg-saron.
So Y'Shaarj was the strongest and the first killed, Yogg was the last captured, but do they say anything about the other two?
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Old 03-05-2016, 07:46 PM
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Where are the sea giants in all this?

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Old 03-05-2016, 07:48 PM
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Odyn was appointed Prime Designate as a reward for coming up with the plan to defeat and imprison Yogg-saron.
I wonder how Ra felt when that happened.

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Old 03-05-2016, 07:53 PM
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I wonder how Ra felt when that happened.

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Not part of caniformia, though.
I know hyenas are more cats than dogs, but this is a fantasy universe.
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Old 03-05-2016, 07:55 PM
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Well shit.


Also, it is always gonna be weird to me the keeper named Ra is not the egyptian bird one.
I think it's an interesting twist. Having a keeper named Ra in the general area associated with Egypt (Uldum, Anubisaths, Ossirian, etc.) but having him actually be Nordic like the rest.

Do we know what Ra vs. Ra-den actually mean? What's the significance of "-den"?

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Old 03-05-2016, 08:02 PM
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But not a thousand times more dangerous.



I think it's an interesting twist. Having a keeper named Ra in the general area associated with Egypt (Uldum, Anubisaths, Ossirian, etc.) but having him actually be Nordic like the rest.

Do we know what Ra vs. Ra-den actually mean? What's the significance of "-den"?
You clearly don't know wolves.
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:07 PM
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So before Odyn got promoted, Ra was the first among the keepers? Can't think of any other reason why he'd be called Highkeeper. Anyway, I'm curious what Mimiron looked like before he got into his current body.
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:09 PM
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Do we know what Ra vs. Ra-den actually mean? What's the significance of "-den"?
Wrathion said -den meant Master in the Mogu language back in MoP. I guess it'd be like -sama or -dono in Japanese. So "Master Ra."
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:09 PM
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Do we know what Ra vs. Ra-den actually mean? What's the significance of "-den"?
That was actually explained in the MoP legendary quest. "-den" is mogu a mogu honorific for "master," so Ra-den translates to "Master Ra" in the mogu language.
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:10 PM
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OK that makes sense.
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:12 PM
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I wonder if Lei Shen called himself -den, like how in Japanese someone with a massive ego/arrogance might call themselves Ore-sama (Ore being one of Japanese's many words for "I").
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:14 PM
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So Aesir and Vanir no longer applies to the Titans themselves? What happened to the rest of the minor forged? The ones who fought the Old Gods?
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:15 PM
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So Aesir and Vanir no longer applies to the Titans themselves? What happened to the rest of the minor forged? The ones who fought the Old Gods?
Well some of them are still around as Helya, Norushen, Ironaya, that chick in Un'Goro, and so on. Every "watcher" we've ever seen except for the ones IGoD named last page are just titan-forged, not Keepers.
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:34 PM
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So Aesir and Vanir no longer applies to the Titans themselves? What happened to the rest of the minor forged? The ones who fought the Old Gods?
Idk if there is Pantheon artwork in the book but Titan-Sargeras now looks like nebulosas and stars shaped in his form.

Several wars, inner fighting, destruction of 50% of the landmass, random corruption and an apparent lack of new production in 15K years is what happened to the rest of the titan forged.
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Old 03-05-2016, 08:42 PM
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Seeing as how the keepers were given some of the Pantheon's power I can understand why Odyn was so weary of the Aspects.
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Old 03-05-2016, 09:01 PM
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Seeing as how the keepers were given some of the Pantheon's power I can understand why Odyn was so weary of the Aspects.
Wasn't his deal just that they were just 'dirty' organics?
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Old 03-15-2016, 08:16 AM
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Must we consider all the non-Tol'vir constructs in Uldum as anubisaths now? I mean, Ammunae, Isiset, Setesh, Rajh, Akma'hat, Uldum Watcher?

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Old 03-15-2016, 08:27 AM
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Must we consider all the non-Tol'vir constructs in Uldum as anubisaths now? I mean, Ammunae, Isiset, Setesh, Rajh, Akma'hat, Uldum Watcher?

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I believe that the Uldum keepers are indeed anubisaths. Though I am not so sure of the categories of vanir and aesir apply to the actual keepers that were empowered by the titans. After all, the keepers power went beyond simply being able to control storm or the earth.
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Old 03-15-2016, 08:33 AM
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I believe that the Uldum keepers are indeed anubisaths. Though I am not so sure of the categories of vanir and aesir apply to the actual keepers that were empowered by the titans. After all, the keepers power went beyond simply being able to control storm or the earth.
Wouldn't they still be aesir and vanir, despite being keepers?

@Uldum's keepers:
I think that they're second generation keepers, empowered after the OG's defeat. Of course, the archeology artifact might just have been retconned.

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Remember the Aesir vs. Vanir war?

Isn't it an Aesir civil war now? Thorim and Hodir are both Aesir, after all.

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Old 03-15-2016, 08:54 AM
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Wouldn't they still be aesir and vanir, despite being keepers?
Maybe. Though I think the only paramether would be the colour of their skin, right? And maybe general abilities.

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Remember the Aesir vs. Vanir war?

Isn't it an Aesir civil war now? Thorim and Hodir are both Aesir, after all.
Since the Tribunal of Ages is essentially a forgery, I'm not sure we can trust any bit of its information, as Crow said in the other thread.
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Old 03-15-2016, 09:07 AM
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Since the Tribunal of Ages is essentially a forgery, I'm not sure we can trust any bit of its information, as Crow said in the other thread.
Yup, which explains why the Aesir vs. Vanir war was actually an Aesir civil war.

The Tribunal fed us false information.
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Old 03-15-2016, 09:18 AM
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Yup, which explains why the Aesir vs. Vanir war was actually an Aesir civil war.

The Tribunal fed us false information.
But why?

If there's no point to there being false info then it feels like a lazy, clumsy, way to retcon.
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:26 AM
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But why?

If there's no point to there being false info then it feels like a lazy, clumsy, way to retcon.
Loken fooled Ulduar into thinking he was the Prime Designate and I guess he added the rest of the false info to throw off his scent.
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