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Old 03-28-2018, 02:26 AM
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Default Debate: are there villains in a faction war?

Are there villains in a faction war?
  • In times of war, are there villainous acts?
  • When allying with one group, does that automatically make you eager to kill the opposing group?

I would like everyone to remember how both Alliance and the Horde acted in the First and Second wars, not only the conflicts portrayed in Warcraft. If possibly, address previous conflicts as well, such as the wars between the human kingdoms. Alterac, for instance, is a very relevant factor in this subject.
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Old 03-28-2018, 02:37 AM
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One side wants to kill everyone and raise them in undeath, the other defends itself. Clearly no villains there.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:10 AM
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Food for thought:

Were the Romans villains when they expanded their territorial dominance and conquered the Iberian peninsula?

When the armies of York killed soldiers from the armies of Lancaster during the War of the Roses, were they villains?

Were the soldiers of Nobunaga villains when killing of the forces of Yoshimoto in Okezahana?

Does every Gilnean that killed other Gilnean people, during the Northgate Rebellion qualify themselves as villains?
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:03 AM
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That term doesn't work when applied to real events. Despite bringing civilization with their conquests, in the end Romans still committed horrific actions on the people from extermination and slavery. The english war is another horrible instance of pampered nobles sending commoners to kill each other by the thousands over literal family arguments. And the rebellion comparison doesn't work because what the Horde does in bfa is outright invasion and destruction.
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Old 03-28-2018, 05:04 AM
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Yes. Azeroth is literally dieing and what're we doing? Recruiting some offshoots to continue clobbing our heads in, fuck that, i say we all march on Orgrimmar (again), pool our resources (again) and kill the Warchief (again). And for fuck sake have the Alliance take over Orgrimmar for an expansion (or even at least a single patch, Undercity-style) and install some NPC guards and Overseers until everyone is satisfied that Warchief Baine is not up to evil shit too.

Everyone not conspiring against Sylvanas is evil. Everyone perpetuating the Faction War is evil. Fuck all of that bullshit.
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Old 03-28-2018, 07:51 AM
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Rules of engagement are a thing. Throwing mustard gas at a civilian hospital is absolutely NOT the same as exchanging bullets with an enemy combatant just because you are at war.

Self-defense is a thing. Attacking a peaceful country by surprise because you want their resources is absolutely NOT the same as shooting an invading army that's butchering your civilians just because both are war.

Motivation matters. Attacking another country because you want their population to serve as slave labor is absolutely NOT the same as attacking another country because they are ruled by a murderous ideology that is openly threatening to invade your allies to use them as slave labor just because both are acts of aggression.
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:19 AM
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Self-defense is a thing. Attacking a peaceful country by surprise because you want their resources is absolutely NOT the same as shooting an invading army that's butchering your civilians just because both are war.

Motivation matters. Attacking another country because you want their population to serve as slave labor is absolutely NOT the same as attacking another country because they are ruled by a murderous ideology that is openly threatening to invade your allies to use them as slave labor just because both are acts of aggression.
So the British, the Mongols, the Romans, the Chinese, the Spanish and even the French are, by that definition, within the greatest villains of human history?
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