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Old 07-15-2006, 11:57 AM
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Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon Anyone else think WF-nerf was unnecessary?

If this is new info for you, windfury totem will be nerfed so that abilities like Sinister Strike or Cleave no longer can proc it, nerfing meleehordeDPS in raids largely.

Anyone else think its unfair?
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:13 PM
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Yes. It is unfair.

And I am a shaman, which makes it worse. T.T
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Old 07-15-2006, 05:26 PM
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Awe, is the poor shaman mad he's being balanced? To quote a shaman when the paladins dps got nerfed "GG cry exceedingly more novice."
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Old 07-15-2006, 08:05 PM
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woo watch as how with every other "major nerf" everyone will quit complaining about it in a week or two.
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Old 07-16-2006, 01:12 AM
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Nah, I am not crying. The WF wasnt THAT bad for my Elemental build, but I use RB instead now.



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Old 07-16-2006, 02:00 AM
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Grats.

Anyway, why do you alliance fanboys speak against shamans in PvE? Shamans are so much worse in raids than paladins.
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Old 07-16-2006, 08:32 PM
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I'm a Paladin and am sick of getting my ass kited by a shaman everytime I fight. And don't use the "lol bubble" as a defense it's a crutch that's not always up.
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:14 AM
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I'm a Paladin and am sick of getting my ass kited by a shaman everytime I fight. And don't use the "lol bubble" as a defense it's a crutch that's not always up.
This WF nerf has nothing to do with PvP.
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Old 07-17-2006, 01:06 PM
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Ahem, PVP overpoweredness.
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Old 07-17-2006, 05:39 PM
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I am a shaman
"Infidels, they must be purifed!"

*Pewpewpewpew*
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:47 AM
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Ahem, PVP overpoweredness.
That still has nothing to do with Raiding.
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Old 07-18-2006, 08:58 AM
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Well deserved nerf.
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Old 07-18-2006, 09:20 AM
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Well deserved nerf.
You mean that alliance isnt already overpowered in PvE material in your opinion?

Read this: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thre...en&T=83548&P=1

Edit: Blizzard has seen the light:
http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thre...=1#post1136493
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:18 PM
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A shaman has no right to call anything overpowered.
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:58 PM
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A shaman has no right to call anything overpowered.
Actually, in this case its based in numbers and logical sence, instead of the Night Elf Rogues saiying: "NERFSHAMMYSCUZTHEYPWNME!!!!!!"
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Old 07-18-2006, 04:10 PM
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Gee if Alliance are overpowered in PVE, then Horde must be overpowered in PVP!

There's your balance.
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:19 PM
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Gee if Alliance are overpowered in PVE, then Horde must be overpowered in PVP!

There's your balance.
Read: http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thre...en&T=83548&P=1

Then talk.
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Old 07-19-2006, 12:52 AM
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Old 07-19-2006, 05:14 AM
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Ok, i'll quote the part im aiming at:

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Q:horde PVP, alliance PVE QQ more n00b shut ur mouth crybaby!

That is a bad argument, and also a myth. Alliance, and the Paladin is very strong in PvP. So is Shaman. Also, even if for some wierd reason somebody thought palas arent good in pvp, it still has nothing to do with raid balance. Raid and pvp are unrelated, for some this is hard to understand, but it's the truth. Should they have made Paladins worse in PvP when they got greater blessings and thus even better in PVE? Of course not.
I think he said it pretty well.

And then the Conclusion part as well:
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Conclusion

● Alliance has better manaregen, offensive power, mobility and defensive power in raids.
● Even under optimal conditions, around half of the Horde raid is unbuffed. Alliance has stronger buffs, and everyone has buffs. This means that the difference in buffing effectiveness is more than double!
● In mobile encounters totems either lose effectiviness, or are useless.
● In Bosses which require something else than standard group composition, generally less than 10 people get meaningful buffs, if the shaman bothers at all because it is frustrating to buff one person in a group with totems that still cost mana afterall.
● Shamans, or Horde have no perks over paladins to make up for this.
● This has been broken for more than a year now. Recently released 1.11 was shaman talent review. If that was not time for fix, is Blizzard ever going to do it?
● Blizzard has not made honest stance on this of yet. Everytime we get sort of a reply regarding the issue, the real issues get dodged, and we get served with somesort response along the lines of "well you don't maybe have this, but you have this and that". The problem is, these generalizing answers always point to a Shaman perks that, honestly don't exist. Just an example, it's been like this for a year http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=1#post8840551
No offence to him, he is probably a CM, not developer, but this is what we get.
● We have heard few vague noises of possible changes to Shamans in 1.12. I can't describe it better than that. We have not seen or heard anything about that since. There is no reason to even think this is probable. People were expecting things in 1.11 too.
● This is getting old. Really old. Players are getting apathetic. Is Blizzard really oblivious to this all, or is this part of a strategy? We know Blizzard doesn't have a raid team, they need guilds to do the testing of new instances. Scary, isn't it?
● Eyonix became "the enemy of the shamans" on US forums, because instead of giving Shamans more info about their conserns, he responded to people making personal insults on him, but what info was he supposed to give the Shamans if the devs have nothing to give to him?
(ps. His name means Hugkiss in Finnish)
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Old 07-19-2006, 10:08 AM
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Dude seriously, when the paladins complained about their dps nerfs, the shaman all swarmed and said "GG crai more noobs" or something else retarded. So now it's payback. Honestly, you still have your insta cast shock spams to use.
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Old 07-19-2006, 10:24 AM
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Dude seriously, when the paladins complained about their dps nerfs, the shaman all swarmed and said "GG crai more noobs" or something else retarded. So now it's payback. Honestly, you still have your insta cast shock spams to use.
What, when did they nerf Pally DPS, last time i looked, it was buffed in their rewamp.

Anyways, how much of Raggy or Nef Damge do you think Frostshock does?
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Old 07-19-2006, 02:34 PM
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In all honesty, the paladin should be the one more focused on combat, considering the shaman was always a leather wearing spellcaster.
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Old 07-19-2006, 03:26 PM
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There is damn well no denying Shamans are too good in PvP.

As a Hunter, you can't run, you can't stop them.
They shock you with some instant cast thing, slowing you down, meaning you cant get away from them to fire at them. Meaning you die in seconds.
If you do get away from them by rooting them to the ground then they will finish you off with spells. Drain all their mana? Done that almost every time. It regenerates and they shock me once, and finish me off in seconds.
If you do manage to survive awhile, some of their mana regenerates, they heal, and finish you off. You die in other words. Dead. Gone.

I have never I believe, soloed a Shaman who has had the advantage of spotting me first. No matter what level range or sitiuation. It isn't because I suck either, because I've had some pretty neat scores and fights, eg killing a level 60 rogue at level 57 when he had full advantage. Or a 60 mage at level 54... but Shamans? No. You dai! Pewpewpepw!

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Old 07-19-2006, 04:12 PM
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I seem to recall a phrase that the shamans used to always tell the pallies...
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Old 07-19-2006, 10:15 PM
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The damage done by SoC was reduced from 100% weapon damage on proc to 70% with an "increase" in proc chance.
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