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Old 01-30-2018, 10:22 PM
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I did the Lightforged now. It was... weird.

In essence, Turalyon announced the lightforged will fight for the Alliance, Fareeya agrees, but you are selected to help a new recruit pass throught the tests. It's kinda pointless. It helps understand how a draenei becomes Lightforged, but in essence is go from point to point beating random mobs. The last cavern is a little more interesting, as you face the various emotional aspects of the recruit and he finally purges his dark side.

It was not bad, but not deep lore as well.

One thing that bothered me is that the VIndicaar in essence has the same draenei NPCs in the same positions as the Argus VIndicaar, but now they are Lightforged (but with normal voices, as Blizzard didn't bother to change anything but their base model). For instance, the Light's Chosen are replaced by nameless Lightforged replicas with same gear. It was cheap.
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Old 01-30-2018, 10:36 PM
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There are some interesting easter eggs in Telogrus Rift.

You've got high and blood elf pilgrims training to become void elves (so it seems we do in fact have playable high elves
Don't you find it quite weird/amusing that back in TBC the high elves looked down upon the Blood Elves for resorting to using Fel and now some of them are considering an alternative controversial option i.e. the Void.
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Old 01-30-2018, 10:42 PM
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I liked him the moment he opened his mouth.
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Old 01-30-2018, 11:36 PM
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There’s a big emphasis on void elves being kept at an arms length in Stormwind and there are two times my character is told to behave. It makes sense, but it’s still sad.

Meanwhile, my lightforged received a warm welcome.
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Old 01-30-2018, 11:44 PM
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Don't you find it quite weird/amusing that back in TBC the high elves looked down upon the Blood Elves for resorting to using Fel and now some of them are considering an alternative controversial option i.e. the Void.
To be fair, fel magic was specifically the "brand" magic of the same demons who ruined their ancestors' empire, sent the orcs and created the Scourge that razed Quel'thalas, so their aversion was pretty damned personal. Probably moreso if they were eventually joined by a bunch of Expedition high elves from Outland who spent years fighting demons and fel-corrupted orcs.

Honestly the high elves' behavior has always been a million times more believable than the blood elves' willingness to suddenly trust a bunch of orcs, trolls and undead overnight.
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:21 AM
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To be fair, fel magic was specifically the "brand" magic of the same demons who ruined their ancestors' empire, sent the orcs and created the Scourge that razed Quel'thalas, so their aversion was pretty damned personal. Probably moreso if they were eventually joined by a bunch of Expedition high elves from Outland who spent years fighting demons and fel-corrupted orcs.

Honestly the high elves' behavior has always been a million times more believable than the blood elves' willingness to suddenly trust a bunch of orcs, trolls and undead overnight.
True. That's quite a fair point about the High Elves being quite critical of Fel magic. Admittedly, I just assumed that they're a bit more conservative in the sense that they would be more wary of using any forms of controversial "brand" magic. And considering Alleria's presence caused complications at the Sunwell, they'd have more reasons to be careful.

But yah, I do agree that the High Elves behavior has been considerably more believable than the Blood Elves going Horde. That was such an obviously forced ass pull from Blizzard just to balance the population on both factions
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Old 01-31-2018, 01:19 AM
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I like T'paartos, don't worry!
I'm judging more quality of lore than the quality of the character.

Thought I'm a little confused, since he's a brawler, but the lightforged can't be monks.

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True. That's quite a fair point about the High Elves being quite critical of Fel magic. Admittedly, I just assumed that they're a bit more conservative in the sense that they would be more wary of using any forms of controversial "brand" magic. And considering Alleria's presence caused complications at the Sunwell, they'd have more reasons to be careful.

But yah, I do agree that the High Elves behavior has been considerably more believable than the Blood Elves going Horde. That was such an obviously forced ass pull from Blizzard just to balance the population on both factions
Personally, I feel like high elves going after the void elves is a little forced, but then I remind myself that not everyone in a race thinks alike, and the gossip text ("seeking knowledge") makes these elves in particular scholars rather than the usual rangers we see elsewhere.

Still, I wished the lore was better. Everything about void elves is so cheap and hastily put together it hurts. Specially when compared to nightborne.
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:08 AM
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Don't you find it quite weird/amusing that back in TBC the high elves looked down upon the Blood Elves for resorting to using Fel and now some of them are considering an alternative controversial option i.e. the Void.
Chalk it up to collective character development?

They've seen how dope Warlocks, Shadow Priests, and Demon Hunters were (and that it's possible to resist complete corruption), and wanted a piece of the action. That's neither weird nor very amusing.
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Old 01-31-2018, 04:16 AM
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Chalk it up to collective character development?

They've seen how dope Warlocks, Shadow Priests, and Demon Hunters were (and that it's possible to resist complete corruption), and wanted a piece of the action. That's neither weird nor very amusing.
Also, just because we saw a couple of high elves does not mean all of them are going to be fine with it.

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BTW, I finished all recruitment quests. And highmountain was the best by far. Has a story that is more than "fight enemies in spot A, then spot B", has character exposure, has lore. Hell, it even has a small character arc for Ebonborn. Explains why highmountain tauren go Horde. While far from perfect, it was the quality I expected from all recruitment quests.

Nightborne is simple but effective. The shal'dorei didn't need a lot of lore, it's just the conclusion to their already awesome story.
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Old 01-31-2018, 04:33 AM
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True. That's quite a fair point about the High Elves being quite critical of Fel magic. Admittedly, I just assumed that they're a bit more conservative in the sense that they would be more wary of using any forms of controversial "brand" magic. And considering Alleria's presence caused complications at the Sunwell, they'd have more reasons to be careful.

But yah, I do agree that the High Elves behavior has been considerably more believable than the Blood Elves going Horde. That was such an obviously forced ass pull from Blizzard just to balance the population on both factions
from my perspective as a blood elf player. the horde is a better ally than the alliance.
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Old 01-31-2018, 04:56 AM
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Alliance allied races was kinda stupid, void elves were just alleria searching for umbriss then you rescue him and he just joins for some reason.
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Old 01-31-2018, 05:30 AM
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Soooo, what's the point for any blood/high elf to willingly become a void one?
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Old 01-31-2018, 05:31 AM
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Old 01-31-2018, 05:35 AM
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Wow.
Now that's what I call poor writing (I also include the whole 'zandalari princess in the jail for no reason' and the AU orc fanservice in this sentence).
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Old 01-31-2018, 05:37 AM
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Soooo, what's the point for any blood/high elf to willingly become a void one?
There's no explanation.
They are just there, in the rift. Small numbers of them. It implies some high and blood elves are interested in the void elves. We are not even sure they can be transformed, as nothing shows that happening (thought it's the best way to explain how they got their hunters and warriors).

I mean, Telogrus was so hastily put together that Blizzard even put the wrong high elf models (they used blood elves with DK eyes)...
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Old 01-31-2018, 05:48 AM
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There's no explanation.
They are just there, in the rift. Small numbers of them. It implies some high and blood elves are interested in the void elves. We are not even sure they can be transformed, as nothing shows that happening (thought it's the best way to explain how they got their hunters and warriors).

I mean, Telogrus was so hastily put together that Blizzard even put the wrong high elf models (they used blood elves with DK eyes)...
or maybe it's becoming a void elf slowly
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Old 01-31-2018, 05:51 AM
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or maybe it's becoming a void elf slowly
Could be the intended effect, but the blood elves there are just blood elves, so it's a little confusing.
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:04 AM
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Wow.
Now that's what I call poor writing (I also include the whole 'zandalari princess in the jail for no reason' and the AU orc fanservice in this sentence).
Is the whole BfA intro story out already? Please share
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:39 AM
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Is the whole BfA intro story out already? Please share
No it isn't, he's just taking contextless datamined strings and getting angry at it. It's the true WoW player way.
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:47 AM
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Wow.
Now that's what I call poor writing (I also include the whole 'zandalari princess in the jail for no reason' and the AU orc fanservice in this sentence).
Sometimes people are just power hungry, I don't see the problem there.

Also we don't know that Talanji is there for no reason. She could easily be captured during Alliance quests.
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Old 01-31-2018, 08:04 AM
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Tbh I'm plyaing wow for a pretty long time and I've learned the hard way that the datamined contextless stuff is not that far from the truth pretty much everytime.
Don't want to look too dumb or arrogant (the way most people would perceive me now), just being a bit frustrated in a public space :p
You're all right that a lot of things aren't known yet, but still I'd better not have any high hopes atm.

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Also, I see no reason for adding this princess and making the whole 'you've rescued her and now I, Rastakhan am in debt!' scenario.
I might be wrong but I thought that Cho was pretty clear in his stories that the Zandalari we fought were Zul's trolls that wanted to conquer some land to live on, while the others stayed in Zandalar and well....basically we had no conflict with them, right?

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Old 01-31-2018, 08:23 AM
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Just to tack on to what Xin said, my analysis (last post in my thread in the Halls of Lordaeron) didn't address the accuracy of datamining in general, nor was it designed to do anything more than answer the question of "if it looks bad for the Night Elves, will it end up being that way in the live game?" - but when I attempted to answer that question, I came up with a recency and impact adjusted probability of 92.49%.

Again, I invite criticism of that analysis and would stress that it doesn't completely answer the question of how often datamining content makes it to release, but it does help to inform that answer. So far, what I have suggests that information released in advance of related content is a decent predictor of how that content will end up.
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Old 01-31-2018, 08:28 AM
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Tbh I'm plyaing wow for a pretty long time and I've learned the hard way that the datamined contextless stuff is not that far from the truth pretty much everytime.
Don't want to look too dumb or arrogant (the way most people would perceive me now), just being a bit frustrated in a public space :p
You're all right that a lot of things aren't known yet, but still I'd better not have any high hopes atm.
I understand the feeling.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:34 AM
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A random Tulanji appeared!


But joking aside, I agree. Why is she in the stockades? They could have come up with 38848595 other places/scenarios.
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Old 01-31-2018, 10:18 AM
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