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Old 11-25-2017, 10:46 AM
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Not him, but I believe it's from 4chan. Forgot which board, but I remember it posted there.
I want to say/tg/. They have surprisingly civil and intelligent Warcraft lore threads there on the weekends.
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Old 11-25-2017, 12:16 PM
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I want to say/tg/. They have surprisingly civil and intelligent Warcraft lore threads there on the weekends.
So, the opposite of us?
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Old 11-25-2017, 03:46 PM
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What about "Pure" trolls? Didn't the Zandalari look down on the others? Maybe because the others were "tainted" by their environments.
Well, the Amani, Drakkari and Gurubashi delineations (along with numerous others, most of which were eventually destroyed) came from their origins as castes in Zandalari society that consolidated into new tribes and started staking out their own claims on and around their mountain. They didn't move out to the more disparate environments that instigated their mutations into different troll "types" until the end of the Troll/Aqir War, which had them driving the Aqir back to Azjol-Nerub and Ahn'Qiraj, chasing Kith'ix to Zul'Aman, and then settling in the vicinity of each to keep their defeated enemies contained.
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Old 11-25-2017, 04:12 PM
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Well, the Amani, Drakkari and Gurubashi delineations (along with numerous others, most of which were eventually destroyed) came from their origins as castes in Zandalari society that consolidated into new tribes and started staking out their own claims on and around their mountain. They didn't move out to the more disparate environments that instigated their mutations into different troll "types" until the end of the Troll/Aqir War, which had them driving the Aqir back to Azjol-Nerub and Ahn'Qiraj, chasing Kith'ix to Zul'Aman, and then settling in the vicinity of each to keep their defeated enemies contained.
Which makes one wonder why the gurubashi went to... Zul'Gurub. Zul'Farrak is close to Ahn'Qiraj, Zul'Drak to Azjol-Nerub, and Zul'Aman over Ki'thix.

Could Zul'Gurub have been made because it's close to N'Zoth's prison?
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:11 PM
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Didn’t Gurub came before Farrak?
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Old 11-25-2017, 05:29 PM
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Didn’t Gurub came before Farrak?
Yes, and it likely was close to Ahn'Qiraj before the Sundering, given that Tanaris was a part of Stranglethorn.
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Old 11-25-2017, 06:32 PM
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I think Farrak was actually established first, if I remember Chronicle right. The Gurubashi moved east and built Gurub later.
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Old 11-26-2017, 12:48 PM
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Yes, and it likely was close to Ahn'Qiraj before the Sundering, given that Tanaris was a part of Stranglethorn.
You might be thinking that ancient kalimdor exploded outward, but STV and Tanaris were never close too eachother. The distance between them in modern WoW is the same as the distance between them pre-sundering, just with land instead of water.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:45 PM
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You might be thinking that ancient kalimdor exploded outward, but STV and Tanaris were never close too eachother. The distance between them in modern WoW is the same as the distance between them pre-sundering, just with land instead of water.
Wasn't that explicitly stated in the WOW encyclopedia?

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Yeah, seems like you were right. Just looked at the Chronicle 1 maps.

Anyway, it is still unlike that Zul'farrak was founded before the capital of the empire it was a part of.

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Anyway, it is still unlike that Zul'farrak was founded before the capital of the empire it was a part of.
It could've been established right around the same time, along with Zul'Aman and Gundrak. Zul'Gurub might just be located where the Gurubashi successfully exterminated the local Aqir hives due to there not being any handy titan complexes around for the insects to exploit and fortify like Ahn'Qiraj and whatever portion of Ulduar the northern Aqir likely breached to get their obsidian destroyers.
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Old 11-27-2017, 06:25 AM
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It could've been established right around the same time, along with Zul'Aman and Gundrak. Zul'Gurub might just be located where the Gurubashi successfully exterminated the local Aqir hives due to there not being any handy titan complexes around for the insects to exploit and fortify like Ahn'Qiraj and whatever portion of Ulduar the northern Aqir likely breached to get their obsidian destroyers.
N'Zoth.
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N'Zoth.
What about him?

N'zoth's prison was nowhere near Zul'gurub.
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Old 11-27-2017, 04:53 PM
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Old 12-02-2017, 11:59 AM
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Well, we know that dragons and possibly birds evolved from elementals, so it wouldn't be surprising if more Azerothian races descended from elementals too.

Not to mention that it would also match evolution on Draenor, which also had its own, biological version of the curse of flesh.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:02 PM
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Well, we know that dragons and possibly birds evolved from elementals, so it wouldn't be surprising if more Azerothian races descended from elementals too.

Not to mention that it would also match evolution on Draenor, which also had its own, biological version of the curse of flesh.
I hadn't even thought of the orc comparison. All the more reason for orcs and trolls to be BFFs, it's like gnomes and dwarves!
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:09 PM
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I hadn't even thought of the orc comparison. All the more reason for orcs and trolls to be BFFs, it's like gnomes and dwarves!
You know, it's not even just those two planets. Talbuks, from Argus, also seem to have some elemental ancestry. We're meant to believe that AU Draenor's talbuks are most alike their original form, and just live Draenor's clefthooves and riverbeasts, they look like they evolved from earth elementals.
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Old 12-02-2017, 12:49 PM
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Fleshy life evolving from elementals is something that I think needs to be explored more. I'm of the opinion that anything that isn't from titans or Old Gods ultimately traces back to elementals, but I'd like to learn more.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:08 PM
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I prefer to think most races are natural, their evolution hastened by Freya and the waters of Azeroth's blood.

There are several other species I believe come from elementals, like basilisks. If these species can also become Wild Gods, then I'd add boars, wolves, wind serpents and cloud serpents. This would also explain their presence in Draenor.
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Old 12-03-2017, 02:38 AM
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Fleshy life evolving from elementals is something that I think needs to be explored more. I'm of the opinion that anything that isn't from titans or Old Gods ultimately traces back to elementals, but I'd like to learn more.
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Old 12-03-2017, 07:28 AM
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This is what orcs should've been
It kind of is. The Breakers don't have anything really in common with titan-forged except for a titan ultimately being behind it. Grond was created by elemental energies being infused into a mountain, he's a big elemental conglomerate.
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Did you know that the traditional name for shrunken heads is tsantsa or tzantza? Obviously the troll now known to us as Zanza turned into a Loa at the same time as his head became the first shrunken head known to trollkind.(edited)
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The Trolls are honestly Blizzard's greatest creation for Warcraft in that they're undeniably Blizzard and actually hold up well for the setting (unlike the Forsaken).

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I miss Kellick. He may not have been my not have been my real dad, but he tried.
Has anyone had any luck getting ahold of him at all? Does he have an email attached to his profile here or anything?
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:10 PM
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Has anyone had any luck getting ahold of him at all? Does he have an email attached to his profile here or anything?
No, but he has a BattleTag attached to his account.

Well, he has an e-mail attached to his account, but since it's not meant to be public knowledge, I am disinclined to use it in order to contact him. Feel free to make a post in the R&R thread in order to ask the big honchos what they think.
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