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Old 04-02-2014, 03:02 PM
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Default Blizzard's Portrayal of Gender

Whether it's in games, stories, or other types of media, how do you feel about it? With women, with men. The sex, sexuality, and relationships involved.
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Old 04-02-2014, 03:21 PM
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Maiev wore a heavy cloak that concealed her most of the time. She was incredibly driven by duty and had no interest in romance whatsoever. She expressed emotion, but it did not dictate her actions (and when she had venomous words she always had a point). She was knowledgeable, intelligent, and could keep a promise even if she evidently did not want to. She was very lethal and dangerous, but didn't treat others as fodder.

And everyone hated her guts and wrote her off as a mad-woman.

People deserve the characters they get.
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Old 04-02-2014, 03:28 PM
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Well done at times, clumsy at others.

Clumsiness increases as the clumsiness of the overall storytelling does, so I assume they're connected. I liked most of the female characters in Warcraft III on some level.

The story has had some good female characters, and it's had ones who were just blandly there to provide a womb for other characters to pop out of. Of course not every character has to be analyzed indepth or given some detailed backstory, but walking wombs are just... Well, they're hardly characters at all.

There's a lot of room for improvement. That's what I will say.
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Maiev wore a heavy cloak that concealed her most of the time. She was incredibly driven by duty and had no interest in romance whatsoever. She expressed emotion, but it did not dictate her actions (and when she had venomous words she always had a point). She was knowledgeable, intelligent, and could keep a promise even if she evidently did not want to. She was very lethal and dangerous, but didn't treat others as fodder.

And everyone hated her guts and wrote her off as a mad-woman.

People deserve the characters they get.
People only started to hate her more when they realized she would end up killing a character people wanted not to die. Which she did.

Illidan was a very popular character back then, as were all those other wasted characters...

/sigh

Also, sometimes the ability to hate a character is a sign that they're a good character.

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Old 04-02-2014, 03:54 PM
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Maiev was always a crazy bitch.
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Old 04-02-2014, 03:55 PM
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Terrible: Agra is the most swallow and simple character in ages, she just exists so that Thrall can make babies with her, ugh, its absolutely terrible since her identity can not go beyond "bearer of Thrall´s children"

Dubious:
Tyrande could be a dude and only her relationship with Furion would change... except when she is portrayed in WoW in which she is inefficent, impulsive and needs a man to pull her out of the flames

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BW Kerrigan
A character that CANT be gender flipped and keep the same story, while her relationship with Jimmy is open to interpretation there clearly was something there, even more so considering that she lets him loose when she could have easily killed him.
Kerrigan is an actor, a protagonist and in control of both herself and the things around her.
Killing is not enough, she must break her opposition wheter by having them live with a harrowing sacrifice, see their empire´s crumble or play a deadly game that might seem winnable but really isnt.


Blizzard once had it but they seem to have lost it =/
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:12 PM
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Blizzard once had it but they seem to have lost it =/
That describes their storytelling in general these days. It seems to have been lacking something for quite some time.

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Old 04-02-2014, 04:20 PM
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Reaper of Souls was pretty good imo.
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:40 PM
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And everyone hated her guts and wrote her off as a mad-woman.
Blizzard did that. All I ever saw was love for Maiev, even from Illidan fans (usually).

Admiral Rogers was well received.
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:49 PM
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Blizzard did that. All I ever saw was love for Maiev, even from Illidan fans (usually).

Admiral Rogers was well received.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeh
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Blizzard did that. All I ever saw was love for Maiev, even from Illidan fans (usually).
Maiev is great until you start acting like she's a hero. Much like Illidan, in that respect.
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Eeeeh. More mixed.
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Old 04-02-2014, 05:18 PM
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Maiev is great until you start acting like she's a hero. Much like Illidan, in that respect.
She was a hero.

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Old 04-02-2014, 05:20 PM
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She was a hero.
She was a crazy person, blinded by wrath.
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Old 04-02-2014, 05:21 PM
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She was a crazy person, blinded by wrath.
No, she wasn't. She had horrible luck. That's her only flaw.
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No, she wasn't. She had horrible luck. That's her only flaw.
Okay, seriously. This is what I'm talking about.
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Old 04-02-2014, 05:26 PM
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Okay, seriously. This is what I'm talking about.
No, seriously. Everything people point to as her doing something bad or dangerous like lying about Tyrande's fate or chasing after Illidan is all because those people are out to get her. Everything she did was entirely justified, she always explained her reasoning which was always sound. Everyone else was crazy off their rockers except her.
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No, seriously. Everything people point to as her doing something bad or dangerous like lying about Tyrande's fate or chasing after Illidan is all because those people are out to get her. Everything she did was entirely justified, she always explained her reasoning which was always sound. Everyone else was crazy off their rockers except her.
This is what I'm talking about!
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Old 04-02-2014, 05:30 PM
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You're not talking about anything. You're just being huffy.
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Old 04-02-2014, 05:32 PM
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For the most part, one can't distinguish characters by gender without looking at them. There is nothing about, say, Jaina, or Sylvanas, in terms of personality or actions that I wouldn't expect from a male character. In that view, if they're aiming for equality, they're doing well. If they're aiming to give their female characters female traits beyond breasts, they're doing terribly. There are also the issues with the female characters like Agra who came into the story solely to be someone's love interest and nothing else.

I can appreciate Blizzard's need to create characters who will, 'Continue the Legacy,' of existing characters, but they can go about it better. There could have been a lot more to Agra than we've been given, or was shown. She could have been the next Greatmother Geyah, commanding the respect of many people. She could have been that Mag'har, that Pure and Uncorrupted Orc, to show the Orcs of Azeroth how they should truly act. She could have been the cultural icon of the Orcs of the past, of a time before demons and corrupt shamans transformed them from noble savages into merciless warmongers.



My personal hope is that the next, 'Romance,' character to be introduced will be given proper depth and potential beyond that. Anduin's due to start that phase of his life. Bring in some noble's daughter of the city, some quiet and demure young woman, probably practices magic to make her family be able to list that as one of her achievements. Let her be strong on her own. She can force Anduin to look at himself and ask the questions he's never really asked before. Let her be the window that makes him realize his idealism isn't how things are, that its just a dream that will never come unless he grows up and gains the strength and support to -make- it happen. What will she do while Anduin's having those epiphanies?

Make her active. Maybe she works to uncover corruption from within the House of Nobles, kills some assassins with her magic, and otherwise demonstrates a sense of duty for the Crown and Kingdom. Make a character who, say, by the time of WoW2 could be an elderly woman, the, 'Queen Grandmother,' of Stormwind, ruling it because her son and his wife died, Anduin passed on, and the Prince and Princess are too young to rule. The kind of woman who, even in her old age, would step onto the field of battle with her soldiers and rain icy death down upon any who dare threaten her people and her grandchildren.

The narrative seriously lacks a character like that, especially humanity. Jaina is the closest we have, but the way they've painted her recently has soured a lot of (Horde) players.

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Old 04-02-2014, 05:33 PM
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You're not talking about anything. You're just being huffy.
I'm saying that Maiev fanboys are as delusional as Illidan fanboys.
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Old 04-02-2014, 05:33 PM
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I'm saying that Maiev fanboys are as delusional as Illidan fanboys.
Still not saying anything.
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I didn't even post in this thread why am I in the tags....
How about why I'm in the tags....
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