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Old 07-10-2012, 05:05 PM
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And yet they refuse to tell me the story behind Med'an.
I'm guessing that's a personal shame.
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:13 PM
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I don't own the book to fill this in:

http://www.wowpedia.org/Raptor_army

But it is there, if anyone wants to.
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:20 PM
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I'm guessing that's a personal shame.
Blizzard just wants to forget he exists.
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:36 PM
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I don't own the book to fill this in:

http://www.wowpedia.org/Raptor_army

But it is there, if anyone wants to.

Huh. For some reason I thought it was a Day of the Dragon thing. Good.
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:37 PM
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Huh. For some reason I thought it was a Day of the Dragon thing. Good.
Nope, it was the sequel.


I should really pitch a short story about Sergeant RAAARG and his Snarlin' Commandos as Dalaran's secret black ops organization.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:54 PM
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Nope, it was the sequel.


I should really pitch a short story about Sergeant RAAARG and his Snarlin' Commandos as Dalaran's secret black ops organization.
That reminded me of picking up Secret Warriors. Thanks!
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:08 PM
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That reminded me of picking up Secret Warriors. Thanks!
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:13 PM
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:33 AM
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I personally like the Raptor Army. It is so ridiculous that it is awesome.
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Old 07-11-2012, 03:01 AM
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Dinosaurs are awesome, how can it not be awesome?
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Old 07-11-2012, 03:17 AM
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:24 AM
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Dinosaurs are awesome, how can it not be awesome?
Dinosaurs are awesome, grizzled WWII veterans are awesome, so I say we combine them!
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:52 AM
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I was thinking about using this as avatar not so very long ago, and I honour your decision.

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Old 07-12-2012, 08:28 AM
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:21 PM
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And yet they refuse to tell me the story behind Med'an.
Clearly the raptor army is more important than Med'an.

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I'll explain what the raptor army is: it's a group of freaking intelligent raptors that have seen various events in Azeroth. They've lived through it all -- all of it. They are peaceful little guys. They were there first. When Sinestra started messing around with them... you know what happened.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:05 PM
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So, hey, two related questions.

One, do we know of Kul'tiras was ever said to have been part of the Arathi Empire? We know Stormwind was not founded until after the empire fell apart, and Kul'tiras is pretty geographically isolated.


Second, if there were any parts of ancient human/Arathi culture you'd like filled out, what would they be?
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:10 PM
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One, do we know of Kul'tiras was ever said to have been part of the Arathi Empire? We know Stormwind was not founded until after the empire fell apart, and Kul'tiras is pretty geographically isolated.
In Tides of Darkness, when Lothar is revealed to be the descendant of the Arathi dynasty, Perenolde makes a sarcastic quip asking if Lothar was about to lay claim to all of their kingdoms.

Proudmoore is present at this meeting, and there's no indication that his kingdom would have been exempt from such a hypothetical claim---which implies that Kul Tiras has ties to Arathor as much as any of the Seven Nations.


EDIT: And, I misunderstood your question. You meant actually territory within the Arathi Empire. Sorry; no idea here.

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Second, if there were any parts of ancient human/Arathi culture you'd like filled out, what would they be?
An account of the Troll Wars and all the Elven-Human politics related.

(Or, the immediate aftermath of those wars. Whichever makes a better story.)

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Old 07-16-2012, 12:18 PM
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Second, if there were any parts of ancient human/Arathi culture you'd like filled out, what would they be?
On a personal level, I wouldn't mind learning a few of the names of the first hundred human mages, and perhaps what they were called as a group.

I wouldn't also mind learning about the circumstances behind the independence of the human nations from the original human kingdom. I mean, obviously Dalaran's was mentioned first, but I don't think the rest of the kingdoms were mentioned. And also why the royal family headed south to Stormwind... and why a different family ended up ruling the kingdom instead of Lothar's.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:18 PM
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Also, question for you history buffs out there:


What real-world culture do you see the Arathi empire based off? Roman (would that make Stromgarde Byzantium)? Celtic (look at them standing stones!)? Frankish (architecture looks low-medieval to me)?
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:24 PM
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Second, if there were any parts of ancient human/Arathi culture you'd like filled out, what would they be?
I can't speak to the first, but as for this one... everything. That's broad, I know, but everything between the War of the Ancients and the First War is generally a sea of vagueness with a few islands of concrete lore within them. I suppose I'd like to see the initial development of human culture after their exodus from vrykul lands. I'd like to see How they changed and became the creatures we know today. I'd like to see Tyr guiding them in whatever capacity he did (and to know what the fel happened to the guy afterwards). I want to see their first meetings with dwarves, elves, and trolls. And, hell, let me see what ancient Arathi looked like. I can't speak for anyone but myself when I say this, but architecture is one of my favorite aspects of Warcraft cultures--part of why I like Gilneas so much but don't care for Stormwind.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:30 PM
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Also, question for you history buffs out there:


What real-world culture do you see the Arathi empire based off? Roman (would that make Stromgarde Byzantium)? Celtic (look at them standing stones!)? Frankish (architecture looks low-medieval to me)?
I'd actually have liked it to be high level celtic/norse influenced to suit the zone, IE highpoint post christian domination. Everything about it screams advanced celtic to me. I've always felt this way. But even more so these days. It would be that it would reflect the zone around it's feel as well as establish a connection to the Vrykul we now know about. Strom should feel like early Dublin.

Stormwind should have always taken the greater roman influences, especially after being rebuilt (But it did not). Strom Celtic. I didn't entirely expect Gilneas to be Victorian back in the day but it works perfectly. Lordaeron should have been more germanic with high gothic influences and I would have liked to see Strath take more french tones.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:35 PM
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So, hey, two related questions.

One, do we know of Kul'tiras was ever said to have been part of the Arathi Empire? We know Stormwind was not founded until after the empire fell apart, and Kul'tiras is pretty geographically isolated.
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Strom continued to act as the central hub of Arathor, but as with Dalaran, many new city-states arose across the continent of Lordaeron. Gilneas, Alterac, and Kul Tiras were the first city-states to arise, and although they each had their own customs and commercial workings, they all held to the unifying authority of Strom.

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The answer is yes.

But also, the "The Seven Kingdoms" made clear that the empire reign slowly ended as each of the city-states became properous. If we follow that logic, Stormwind wasn't founded after the empire ended, but near the end.

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The descendents of the Arathi, left within the crumbling walls of ancient Strom, decided to travel south past the rocky mountains of Khaz Modan. Their journey finally ended after many long seasons, and they settled in the northern region of the continent they would name Azeroth. In a fertile valley they founded the kingdom of Stormwind, which quickly became a self-sufficient power in its own right.

The few warriors still left in Strom decided to remain and guard the ancient walls of their city. Strom was no longer the center of the empire, but it developed into a new nation known as Stromgarde. Though each of the city-states became prosperous in its own right, the empire of Arathor had effectively disintegrated. As each nation developed its own customs and beliefs, they became increasingly segregated from one another. King Thoradin’s vision of a unified humanity had faded at last.

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Second, if there were any parts of ancient human/Arathi culture you'd like filled out, what would they be?
I would like to know more about ancient Strom culture, domains, language, etc.

And also... How did House Wyrnn became the Royal House of Stormwind? Did they revolt agaisnt the Arathi?

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What real-world culture do you see the Arathi empire based off? Roman (would that make Stromgarde Byzantium)? Celtic (look at them standing stones!)? Frankish (architecture looks low-medieval to me)?
Roman. The Empire is pretty old. No reason to think that human were "low medieval" since they became a supra-national state.

Let the "low-medieval" look be an cultural evolution that slowly began after the fall of the Arathor Empire.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:36 PM
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With your first question, Omacron, does lore say that any of the other human capitals were founded as cities answering to the Arathi king? The wowpedia article doesn't seem to emphasize that.

Is there evidence that the Arathi Empire was much larger than modern Stromgarde? Otherwise, it's entirely possible that all those capital city-states were founded by frontiersman on unclaimed land.

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What real-world culture do you see the Arathi empire based off? Roman (would that make Stromgarde Byzantium)? Celtic (look at them standing stones!)? Frankish (architecture looks low-medieval to me)?
Politically? When I hear about Arathor, my first thought goes to its fracturing. A lot of historical examples can be based on that, but it also depends on whether this was a single cohesive empire that took up most of Lordaeron and then fell apart (which makes me think of Alexander's Empire and the successor Greek kingdoms)...

(reminder of the Macedonian-Greek successor kingdoms)

...or if it was a smaller empire that had people travel forth from it to found indendent city-states on the frontiers (which makes I have trouble picturing in any empire after ancient times).

But if Arathor were Rome, then Stromgarde wouldn't be Byzantium. That would go to either Lordaeron (for being prosperous and tied to the culture) or Stormwind Nation (for being prosperous and having the only surviving heir).


EDIT: Cemotucu scrapped my pioneer scenario. So it feels like the breakup of any huge empire, such as Alexander's or the Mongols'. You could say Roman, but that feels less right because the Human lands didn't disintegrate from barbarian attacks. Since all of them were still Human kingdoms, they would all be like little Byzantiums.

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Old 07-16-2012, 12:41 PM
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1. The humans first interactions with the trolls, elves and any other races in the area would be pretty cool.

2. I'd say Arathor having a Celtic vibe would be pretty cool.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:42 PM
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Make more sense to base it on something similar to what they came from (Vrykul) so Norse/Celtic.
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