Same as me, plus podcasts and all that where people spend hours trying to build the perfect outfit/outfits for their characters and going to websites that tell you where to pick up a certain look and all that.

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I wouldn't say I ever enjoyed LFR. I enjoyed experiencing it for the first time with my GF, but that was due to the company. It's something we used to do sometimes when we were bored on alts, and we would mostly make fun of people or get incredibly annoyed. The rest of the time it was like background noise.

Since 5.4 I barely ever step foot in there, certainly not on alts anymore. I mostly just use it to speed my legendary quest progress up because my raid is usually a bit behind, and that's it.

Based on what I've witnessed over the years I'd be confident in saying that most people were annoyed or bored in LFR. There's either toxic bitching over wipes, or ppl just afk and watch streams. DAT RAID EXPERIENCE.

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It's kinda what you expect, just like 5 mans but with more people. Which explains why WoD LFR was dumbed down even more.

5 mans were probably one of the biggest reasons why I pretty much stick with tanking. Besides the insta-que, it's the control and know that we aren't going to wipe because the tank didn't know what she was doing....

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Either way, I don't mind resorting to my garrison to get my sets. Less time wasted in LFR. 5 mans is my kind of content.

I just think that it's counterproductive, if Blizzard wants LFR to stay, and that having the sets drop in LFR doesn't harm anyone. Sure, some raiders left like they were forced to do LFR, but Blizzard could simply have made LFR gear look like tier sets without actually giving it any set-boni.

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Nah, it's no comparison to group content for me. The anonymity of larger groups allows for way more slacking, flaming, trolling etc., and individuals really barely matter at all in LFR tuning.

If you die in group content, you often severely set your group back. It's harder by default, even on normal difficulty. It's automatically a better social experience, imo. Sure you get silent quitters and trolls just the same, but by default I've always seen far more interaction, a modicum of adherence to socially appropriate behaviour, and sometimes even online friendships forming in LFD.

Ever tried queueing for a Normal dungeon in Warlords now btw? It's shocking. You get all the people that literally can't beat PG Silver, it's horrifying. I did it when someone dared me 2 months ago, I was shocked. There's this whole group of players that cannot grasp the basics of their class or the game, and to me LFR has contributed to this BIG time, because it doesn't incentivize you to do anything of the sort.

I don't think anyone is harmed either, but it feels incredibly cheap to have the same stuff drop.

As for 5 mans - I agree. That's the heart and soul of the game, and they've basically kicked it into a corner and spit on it. Mythic dungeons?? I'm a fairly hardcore raider and I only slapped my forehead over this. People have been clamoring for MORE dungeons for years and we get another difficulty of the same crap. And it won't even remotely compare to Mythic raiding, which contains new mechanics and encounter elements. It will simply be Challenge Mode tuning for our itemlevel, I guarantee you that. Dat content.
#bravodevs

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I had no issues on normal or heroic dungeons with my warlock, besides today's heroic. The tank didn't know how Rocketspark worked and always died.

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I doubt most of those people are still playing now, tbh.

Anyway they better have some impressive shit lined up for 7.0, because it's pretty obvious that they're running the WoD content on only part of the team.

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LFR can be plenty fun for inane discussions, practical jokes (*jump* "Hrm, seems they added an invisible wall".) and other social stuff.

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Makes me think they should have give that stuff from Garrisons with LFR keeping the stuff it usually got.

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I just don't buy the "no time for artwork" argument from them anymore. They use it for anything they want an excuse for these days, it's getting absurd.

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Too busy working on the next two expansions....

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Blizzard is ridiculously inefficient with their artwork resources as a matter of policy, trying to give every region as unique a look as possible, as well as creating unique assets for each major location. Unfortunately, as they never add new parts of old regions, unique regional resources are never used for new content.

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Rise of the Axolotls and Sargeras stood in the Fire?

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Leading to the obvious result, Ashran.

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That would probably be the only thing that could get them an increase if they make that obvious to us while delivering it. They need some big WoW news this Blizzcon otherwise WoW might keep declining even though i do think it is still way faar off getting as low as other profiting MMO's.

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nah, Rise of the naga orges & Sargeras' and Kil'jaeden's Excellent Adventures.

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The profitability of WoW will never be in any danger. Despite losing 3 mil they still increased their revenue this quarter.

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Sargeras getting corrupted because he stood in the fire and his raid couldn't beat the MC out of him is still canon.

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Ugh, yeah. Using resources sensibly isn't exactly the main fault there, but damn if sensible resource usage didn't end up in the single worst zone ever seen in WoW.

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Except that was in the AU because Sargy and KJ went back in time to prevent that and Sargy....

fall into lava

Or was it when Sargy fell into Yoggy and his raid wasn't fast enough on killing the tentacles....

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Yep, same as the "Do you want X or a Raid Tier?"

It might of had SOME merit at one point, but it's long past that and is just a sad joke now.

That will cost you a raid tier and this new mount of the Blizzard Store will cost you $25USD! BUY NOW.

All things are scarce. Including X's and raids.

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Per interviews before WoD's launch there was a lot of talk about the old quest model being very dated and needing revamps/new ideas to keep it fresh. That in order for the game to continue to succeed they'd need to iterate on the hook that made the game a success into an even better model.

It all sounds good on paper. Kill X filler / Collect Y Whatever offers nothing to a narrative, so why not get rid of those quests and add them as optional bonus objectives? Players dislike arbitrary gating, so why not let them set their own pace? If the tyranny of exclamation points is a problem, why not develop other means of presenting content?

The problem with the first is that those filler quests also fleshed out the game world, set pacing, gave players a chance to autopilot, etc. Nothing was added to prop this back up. The problem with the second I find rather unforgivable because setting pace and perceived expectations is a basic design facet for video games, and Blizzard has espoused their necessity themselves in the past, so I dunno how it all swung so hard that way. Similarly, #3 was a basic staple of the game that served a very core function, and without a flawless replacement, it all came crumbling down.

Basically comes down to a very poor decision to remove and replace working models instead of keeping the old and gradually phasing it out through small increments of new.

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I feel this post from Reddit is worth quoting: http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments...1_2015/cr0p45a

Blizzard deserves this and more. They've been acting like morons since WotLK and SC2.

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