Nobody gives a shit what happens in Frostfire Ridge.

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Really, guy? Really? That’s what you’re going with? That’s some prime alliance justice warrior sh!t right there.

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Talador, Nagrand, Arak and Gorgrond don't count?

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Let's see, Talador is a bunch of Draenei stuff, Nagrand is the only place that works because lolThrall, Arak has the whole Admiral Taylor thing that makes no sense to have the Horde doing, and nothing happens in Gorgrond.

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Handclaw what is that new icon of yours. Is that one of your fanmakes of Cho'gal?

Aye. It's something I'm working on right now.

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Have you forgotten the Sunsworn? I'm pretty sure that Talador is the one zone where cooperation is canon.

Taylor's garrison is just one quest-line.

I'd say that the Alliance dealt with the jungle, saving dwarves, and the Horde with the giants. (Redxar & Nazgrel)

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The Sunsworn were shoehorned in just like the rest of the Horde.

So?

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How?

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Because they don't have any reason to be there aside from "designated Horde representatives." The Draenei are there because its their land, their cities, and their spirits being desecrated. The Blood Elves are there because they need a Horde race to be there.

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Actually the Blood Elves are there because they owe the Draenei so much.

Believe me, I'd rather have seen Alliance paladins, but they're still canon. Considering how neutral the Draenei are, there's no reason why both factions couldn't simply have worked with neutral Draenei.

So there's no reason to believe that everything that happened in Arak was done by Alliance heroes, just like not everything that happened in Nagrand has to have been the work of Horde heroes?

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Yes it's a shame that doesn't translate to literally any of their conduct except in this very specific case where a Horde representative just happened to be needed by Blizzard.

Why would neutral Draenei call on the hairy assholes whom they are currently fighting instead of follow Draenei in the Alliance?

Oh, and also, basically all quests seem to imply a level of selflessness and altruism that Horde player characters don't have.

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They've shown that they don't mind working with Orcs, and don't have much reason to distrust the Horde.

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The draenei in Talador are somewhat hostile to the Horde. All the auchenai except Nyami, Tulaani, and Maladar are neutral instead of friendly and can't be spoken to or interacted with by Horde characters (likewise Alliance players can't interact with the blood elf NPCs who appear neutral while the draenei are friendly), who must use blood elf npc equivalents for repairs/vendors and stuff. Also the horde version of the Aruuna quests end with the draenei guards nearly attacking the player until the questgiver convinces the guards to let you leave in peace.

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What are we arguing about?

Fojar is wrong regardless of what it is.

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Because they aren't fighting the Horde? Because they've already done it with the Shadowmoon exiles? Because the hairy apes simply offered their help, without needing to be asked?

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Is it wrong?

I mean, we know what happens if Yrel and the Player didn't go forth and stop the Dark Naaru.

Everyone would have died. The Dark Naaru then gives you and 3 other people a nuke that kills mobs and mobs in seconds.

Without the Naaru on the Goat side, the Iron Horde destroyed the Alliance AND Draenei forces, as you, the player ,took place in the vision.

The Alliance lost without help.

I'm not arguing that the Alliance doesn't come off as more funded.

I AM arguing that bladespire is a pretty shitty example.

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The Blackrock Orcs in WoD were the best shot at a stable Horde.

uhhhhhhhh

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Blackhand is best Warlord.

Hmm, Kormrok has a son who is a gronnling. My theory that the magnaron are just the final stage in the gronn life cycle might be true!

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It looks really cool. Wish Blizzard had spent time on a new Cho'gall model..

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Khadgar best waifu.

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I just noticed that the Shattered Hand only has male members. Did the ogres have no female gladiators?

Khadgar is cool with cucumbers.

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