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Old 08-17-2016, 08:50 AM
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As of Legion, we have Vol'Jin dead, Sylvanas as the Warchief, and Saurfang as leader of the Orcs. Based on what we see from the Anduin comic, I imagine that the Horde lives long enough to help. Who will live that long? Who will replace the leaders? What will happen to the Horde this expansion?
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Old 08-17-2016, 10:29 AM
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Hopefully they get some new fucking blood because goddamn Warcraft to hell if I have to put up with Thrall or Sylvanas from here on out.
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Old 08-17-2016, 10:41 AM
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As of Legion, we have Vol'Jin dead, Sylvanas as the Warchief, and Saurfang as leader of the Orcs. Based on what we see from the Anduin comic, I imagine that the Horde lives long enough to help. Who will live that long? Who will replace the leaders? What will happen to the Horde this expansion?
Well, purely speaking in terms of longevity, and discounting any kind of death by accident, violence, or illness, the only Horde faction leaders likely to last that long are Lor'themas and Sylvanas.

So far as we know, Baine has no heirs, so unless he produces some, that mantle will likely pass on to some other chieftain. The same is true of Vol'jin, only it's a more immediate concern. The Orcs aren't currently a hereditary monarchy, so presumably their leadership will float from big shot to big shot, unless that changes, then maybe Thrall and kids will take over. Unless Lor'themar decides to reestablish the Sunstriders or some other dynasty (maybe he marries some noble), they may have to set up some kind of Republic. Presumably, Gallywix will be assassinated, suffer a heart attack, or step down and some other trade prince will take over.

No one really cares about the Pandaren.

As for Legion? Your guess is as good as mine. We know Sylvanas has her own mission this go-round, but besides stopping the Legion, the Horde doesn't seem to be pushing any particular plot forward for this expansion. Best I'd hope for is we see some old faces get some love, and maybe a few new quest givers stand out and gain a bit of traction/popularity.
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Old 08-17-2016, 07:51 PM
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Baine is a young adult. He was practically a child (used a tiny tauren model) in TFT. Assuming he doesn't get bumped off for whatever reason, Baine will still be around and capable (if Cairne is anything to judge by) when Anduin is an old dude.
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Baine is a young adult. He was practically a child (used a tiny tauren model) in TFT. Assuming he doesn't get bumped off for whatever reason, Baine will still be around and capable (if Cairne is anything to judge by) when Anduin is an old dude.
Remove the "i" in his name.
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Yes, that makes him much cooler.
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Old 08-17-2016, 08:44 PM
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Baine is a young adult. He was practically a child (used a tiny tauren model) in TFT. Assuming he doesn't get bumped off for whatever reason, Baine will still be around and capable (if Cairne is anything to judge by) when Anduin is an old dude.
Baine is a spineless idiot that ought to die so a leader who actually cares when his people are murdered can take charge.
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Old 08-17-2016, 09:08 PM
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Baine is a spineless idiot that ought to die so a leader who actually cares when his people are murdered can take charge.
If I take that mask off, will you die?
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Old 08-17-2016, 09:17 PM
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If I take that mask off, will you die?
Probably not? Sthenicon's attach to the wearer's face but they only grow into the tissues if overused, even then it'd probably only be painful if it were torn off rather than fatal.

That's a really random response to me hating on Baine though.
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Old 08-17-2016, 10:18 PM
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If I never see Sylvanas again, it'll be too soon.

I can also do without Thrall at this point.
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If I never see Sylvanas again, it'll be too soon.

I can also do without Thrall at this point.
If anyone had told me, after I finished TFT, or in Vanilla, or even in TBC, that I'd someday be so sick of Blizz's storytelling that I'd hate Thrall, I wouldn't have believed them.

Gods, the state of the Horde is depressing.
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Old 08-17-2016, 10:30 PM
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Hopefully they get some new fucking blood because goddamn Warcraft to hell if I have to put up with Thrall or Sylvanas from here on out.
Really would love to see some more Tauren and Goblin Exposure.
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If anyone had told me, after I finished TFT, or in Vanilla, or even in TBC, that I'd someday be so sick of Blizz's storytelling that I'd hate Thrall, I wouldn't have believed them.

Gods, the state of the Horde is depressing.
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Really would love to see some more Tauren and Goblin Exposure.
More tauren would be good, though I wasn't too happy with the goblins as of Cataclysm. Putting Gallywix in charge still makes no sense to me. On a personal level I just don't like the way their race is presented (I liked them more back in the Vanilla days, when they actually seemed smart).
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Old 08-17-2016, 11:02 PM
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Orcs - Warchief Gorgonna or Nazgrel backed by council of chieftains

Darkspear - child of Vol'jin

Tauren - Baine Bloodhoof

Forsaken - with the way things are looking probably Sylvanas still. If not then Nathanos Blightcaller or Master Apothecary Faranell.

Blood elves - Lor'themar Theron

Bilgewater - Trade Princess Sassy Hardwrench
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Orcs - Warchief Gorgonna or Nazgrel backed by council of chieftains

Darkspear - child of Vol'jin

Tauren - Baine Bloodhoof

Forsaken - with the way things are looking probably Sylvanas still. If not then Nathanos Blightcaller or Master Apothecary Faranell.

Blood elves - Lor'themar Theron

Bilgewater - Trade Princess Sassy Hardwrench
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If anyone had told me, after I finished TFT, or in Vanilla, or even in TBC, that I'd someday be so sick of Blizz's storytelling that I'd hate Thrall, I wouldn't have believed them.
That's just the nature of life.

If someone had told how half my relationships would end up back when they were still the thing for me, I wouldn't have believed them either. You evolve, Blizzard evolves, divergent courses are bound to happen.
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Old 08-18-2016, 12:27 AM
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Old 08-18-2016, 06:59 AM
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even then it'd probably only be painful if it were torn off rather than fatal.
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Orcs - Warchief Gorgonna or Nazgrel backed by council of chieftains

Darkspear - child of Vol'jin

Tauren - Baine Bloodhoof

Forsaken - with the way things are looking probably Sylvanas still. If not then Nathanos Blightcaller or Master Apothecary Faranell.

Blood elves - Lor'themar Theron

Bilgewater - Trade Princess Sassy Hardwrench

Gorgonna hasn't done anything since Wrath and it seems Blizzard has forgotten about her. Instead, I think we should get Ariok, son of Eitrigg, for orc leader. If Jaina and Thrall could un-demonify Grom, then I'm sure Thrall and Rommath (or [select any powerful Horde mage here]) could at least return Ariok to normal from dire orc. Develop Ariok further, give him more screen time, and you're really looking at a potential next generation orc leader who isn't an asshole with conflicting identity issues.

Unnamed child of Vol'jin with no development? Ehhh. If they were going to do something like that, they should have introduced this character at Vol'jin's funeral. I do think it would be neat to have an "adventurer" race leader. For example, if this mysterious child of Vol'jin had adventured alongside the players through Outland/Northrend/Pandaria, etc. That could be interesting. Otherwise, give Rokhan some major screen time and just make him leader.

Baine Bloodhoof is good. His only issue is that Blizzard doesn't like him very much, but Christie Golden does. In the books she's written, Baine is always a cool dude. In his leader short story written by some random, he's a total tool. Give Baine some of the Christie Golden treatment in WoW, give him just a little more EDGE and he'll be good to go.

I see a post-Sylvanas Forsaken ruled over by a high council. Representatives from each of the Forsaken "pillars" of society, such as the military, RAS, CotFS, mages, etc. I just can't imagine the Forsaken rallying behind a single person who isn't Sylvanas.

Lor'themar is good.

Anything other than Gallywix is good, so long as it isn't Boss Mida. Sassy Hardwrench is a good choice.

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Thinking about how the Horde has deteriorated really blows. When WoW started, every Horde racial leader (Thrall, Vol'jin, Cairne, Sylvanas) was featured in WC3. They were all very recognizable characters. Now? The only Horde leaders from WC3 are Baine and Sylvanas. I'm not even sure if Baine truly counts because he was involved in a tiny side quest and didn't even have any dialogue.

A real damn shame.

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Old 08-18-2016, 07:23 AM
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Baine is a spineless idiot that ought to die so a leader who actually cares when his people are murdered can take charge.
Someone get this hothead outta here.

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Thinking about how the Horde has deteriorated really blows. When WoW started, every Horde racial leader (Thrall, Vol'jin, Cairne, Sylvanas) was featured in WC3. They were all very recognizable characters. Now? The only Horde leaders from WC3 are Baine and Sylvanas. I'm not even sure if Baine truly counts because he was involved in a tiny side quest and didn't even have any dialogue.

A real damn shame.
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Old 08-18-2016, 07:33 AM
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Gallywix is actually fine. He's just the PC goblin's patsy.

Once the Horde fails again and disbands, pre-WC4, he'll take the blame for the Bilgewater Cartel's losses.
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Old 08-18-2016, 07:48 AM
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The Horde is fine now. I just wish Garrosh would have never existed.
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