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![]() The problem we have is that the actions being taken are being justified because "It's driving people away from the forum".
Problem is, the action being taken is driving people away from the forum. Shaman might find that comparison dishonest, but it was made for a reason. SoL has always been about shitty opinions and shitty people arguing over shitty things, and banishing one type of shit doesn't make the Modmins the janitor. It just makes them the asshole creating more shit.
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![]() Ruin, had there been any indication, including advocating paedophilia, that Xil was or had been committing a crime you can be sure that the authorities at that time would not only have banished her but also contacted the local authorities. I am given to understand that that was not (and still isn't) the case.
In fact Xil hasn't been active in years, if you exclude that brief appearance last year, so you'll have to forgive me if I also call your comparison dishonest.
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Because you'll have to forgive me, but considering I didn't mention something being dependent on a crime, just on wrong opinions, I'm going to have to call that reply misleading. Because again, Xil was used for a reason. That one of the most universally reviled things was allowed to be on the forum despite being relatively candid with the opinions, while two others were banned, without warning, without firm rules in place, because of their opinions and how they were expressed. And the damndest thing is, the mod staff, up to and including Cantus, all seem to be too thick to realize that it's not THAT Hammer and Galdus were banned, but it's HOW Hammer and Galdus were banned. If Xil ever comes back, is given a warning that if she starts up it will be a final ban, then does it. ban them. That final warning was never given to either poster, and now a precedent's set for the Admods to just ban who they don't like with no warnings or rules in place. And that isn't even a slippery slope argument. Quite literally, both times it was like that. And like, you guys (as in the admods, not you. You weren't a mod at the time) know that this was a problem. You know how Scrolls of Lore reacts when shit like that happens. You know because it happened with Slowpoke, where you actually DID give him a final warning, then banned him anyway immediately, and had the forum revolt. None of it is news. You find the comparison to Xil dishonest. I find that somewhat puzzling, because Xil isn't the factor. Admods supporting or being ok with child abuse isn't the common factor. The moderation team without warning cracking down on one set of opinions and not the other? That's the problem. Because, I mean, I don't think the mods opinions on child abuse changed from meh to it's bad in a few years. And I don't really think the forum atmosphere has changed all that much in a few years, it's just shifted from Faction related angst to political angst. You are all still, barring Hammer and Galdus, extremely lax on moderation, just what you crack down on is odd. Xil is used because not enough has changed between her and now to justify how this was fucking handled from start to finish. And when a god damn Admin, who has been told the answer to this in more than one way, then has the temerity to say this Quote:
Yeah, I'm going to go for the most offensive and standoutish comparison I can make. Because obviously, it just hasn't sunk in yet that that Hammerbrew isn't being defended. The method in which he was banned is being condemned. FFS, my first post on the subject was how it should be scaled back to a 6 month ban, and not a perma one, because he fucking deserved punishment. And it was not once. It was not twice. It was with Galdus. It was with Hammer. And way back when, it was with Slowpoke, when he was just flat out banned before he even had a chance to follow the final warning. Three strikes. Three god damned times the same thing has happened, with an upheaval and vague "we'll work on it" each time. Get your shit together. Because Cantus can rant all the fuck he wants about how each of the mod team has gotten messages about how the lack of moderation has driven people away. That line rings way to god damned hollow when the rest of us get told people left because of him. So here we are, short a hell of a lot of posters. No Yask, Possibly no PJ. Rhags a ghost. Smoke was gone for an extended break because of this shit. When's the last time Grim posted? And the list keeps growing. With that being said, I'm obviously agitated, and I'm going to step away from this for a bit.
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![]() I liken Galdus's ban to those of Salandit and Soldrethar (done with the blessing of the community). I don't recall if those people got 'official' warnings per se, so not sure how 1:1 this comparison is. Not even sure if it even matters.
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![]() Ruin, you're missing my point, which admittedly may be my fault, but I simply can't be as succinct as I want whilst on my way work.
I'll elaborate after work.
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![]() Ruinship, first let me state that it's one thing to accuse us of hypocrisy and bias when it comes to small infractions, but it's quite another when it comes to topics like paedophilia. Don't take this as a threat, warning or whatever you will, but try to be more careful about the things you state.
Now, to clarify my earlier statement: Due to other commitments all of us only have a limited amount of time to invest on SoL. To infer that we are morally corrupt simply because we choose to focus on SoL's current problems instead of reviewing the decisions made by our predecessors is not only dishonest but also borders on abuse. Especially if you consider that, unless I am not mistaken, the incident you are referring to happened almost ten years ago. It has been years since Xil was active on this forum, so naturally she and her statements are no longer on our minds. Furthermore, it is my belief that people should be punished for their choices and actions, not for something that is completely out of their control. That said, as stated previously, if there are valid and substantiated concerns that someone may have been, is or will be involved in a serious crime I, and likely the rest of the staff, will step in immediately.
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My personal ideal simply involves my leading by example and gently prodding people in the right direction when their behaviour is particularly onerous, and when said behaviour actually gets complaints (because if ribbing is in good fun and entirely reciprocal, provided it isn't driving everyone else bonkers, then it's usually no harm no foul). Quote:
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![]() Each time I come back here, I half expect a poster to have been killed and eaten by an angry crowd. It's a good thing we're only an online forum and not an isolated village.
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We could tell each other off whenever we want. We could question the parentage of the users and mins. We could suggest methods of suicide that other users and admins could try. Anarchy! Or maybe personal attacks and targeting admins is a bad thing. I dunno.
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![]() I've been away from this forum because of how slow it's been. But this forum and the people here have a place in my heart. The drama now is bad. I think it's destroying the forum. It makes me sad to see this.
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![]() Politics is the worst. Everything would be fine if people didn't think it was necessary to talk politics or religion on this gaming forum.
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If the solution is filling that vacuum with new voices, then maybe expanding the site's community through outreach is a way to do that. EDIT: And I concur wholeheartedly that addressing the site's poor performance would be useful as well.
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