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Really? I don't think the core belief set of either has changed all that much. It's just coming out in an unfiltered way.
You think the Republicans of today are the Republics of the 1860s?
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You think the Republicans of today are the Republics of the 1860s?
Is this a serious question? I was responding to Mutters' question which seemed to be predicated on the party status quo of the last few decades.

But to answer your question: absolutely not, they are not the same as 150 years ago. No shit.
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So is anybody going to point out Acosta, who ensured Epstein walked free years ago (and has since been jailed for running a pedophile ring), wound up in a position (Secretary of Labor) where he oversaw the enforcement of human trafficking law and then hundreds of children from concentration camps were mysteriously "lost?"
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Old 07-26-2019, 06:05 PM
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So is anybody going to point out Acosta, who ensured Epstein walked free years ago (and has since been jailed for running a pedophile ring), wound up in a position (Secretary of Labor) where he oversaw the enforcement of human trafficking law and then hundreds of children from concentration camps were mysteriously "lost?"
Also, the Marines, apparently. Trumpists were so busy sticking it to the football man sitting down and respecting the troops that they overlooked the Marines smuggling people.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/74556...ng-drug-crimes

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https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mccon...russia-1451361

The less democratic elections are, the more Republicans win. They are well aware of this fact.
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Old 07-26-2019, 06:59 PM
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The less democratic elections are, the more Republicans win. They are well aware of this fact.
Conservatives don't care about American sovereignty, just power. They'd rather see the nation conquered by foreign powers than be more progressive. At this point, they're effectively a fifth column and every day they prove themselves to be the domestic enemy I affirmed an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against.
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Old 07-28-2019, 03:00 PM
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And now the military is being used as concentration camp guards. This is illegal and those that are following this unlawful order are culpable.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9023591.html

Still no comment on this from the people that were terrified of Jade Helm.
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Maybe I'm missing something but wouldn't this incentivize mitch to pass the change?
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:34 AM
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Maybe I'm missing something but wouldn't this incentivize mitch to pass the change?
No, saying this just lets the CEO cover his ass.
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You jinxed it!

Sry, i can't feel anything but completely numb to this at this point. This aparrently is what 'Murica wants because they just can't be arsed to do anything about it.
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You jinxed it!

Sry, i can't feel anything but completely numb to this at this point. This aparrently is what 'Murica wants because they just can't be arsed to do anything about it.
He jinxed it good.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...518001731.html

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Old 08-04-2019, 11:38 AM
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It's almost like plastering all media with shooters and treating them like rock stars encourages more.
https://www.apa.org/news/press/relea...edia-contagion

American culture is very clear: If you want your voice to be heard and for everyone to read into your life story and your manifesto, go shoot some innocent people.
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:52 PM
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It's almost like plastering all media with shooters and treating them like rock stars encourages more.
https://www.apa.org/news/press/relea...edia-contagion

American culture is very clear: If you want your voice to be heard and for everyone to read into your life story and your manifesto, go shoot some innocent people.
I'm tired of this narrative that they're doing it for fame, because the implication is if we ignore this type of thing, maybe it will go away. And that is stupidly naive and dangerous. A lack of publicity isn't going to stop people from doing this. The idea that knowing these people's names and what inspired them may inspire the next does not hold water. A law abiding civilian doesn't radicalize overnight because they learned their name or what they looked like. So what if they did it for fame? Denying it to them out of spite might feel satisfying, but it doesn't actually address anything. These people weren't radicalized by watching the nightly news, they were radicalized on 8chan and Stormfront.

The motivation is political, like any act of terror, and the public needs to understand who these people are, what to look out for, how to prevent the next one. Shine a bright light on the communities; the rhetoric and ideology that inspires these people, get their wretched beliefs into the public consciousness. This toxic worldview thrives in the dark corners of the internet, behind layers of irony and memes, where they have plausible deniability and the average person will actually buy into the whole 'lone wolf psychopath' narrative.
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I'm tired of this narrative that they're doing it for fame, because the implication is if we ignore this type of thing, maybe it will go away. And that is stupidly naive and dangerous. A lack of publicity isn't going to stop people from doing this. The idea that knowing these people's names and what inspired them may inspire the next does not hold water. A law abiding civilian doesn't radicalize overnight because they learned their name or what they looked like. So what if they did it for fame? Denying it to them out of spite might feel satisfying, but it doesn't actually address anything. These people weren't radicalized by watching the nightly news, they were radicalized on 8chan and Stormfront.

The motivation is political, like any act of terror, and the public needs to understand who these people are, what to look out for, how to prevent the next one. Shine a bright light on the communities; the rhetoric and ideology that inspires these people, get their wretched beliefs into the public consciousness. This toxic worldview thrives in the dark corners of the internet, behind layers of irony and memes, where they have plausible deniability and the average person will actually buy into the whole 'lone wolf psychopath' narrative.
You're welcome to tell the APA that they're wrong.

And it's not necessarily about "fame." It's about being heard and furthering their agenda.

Anyway, Cloudflare is now terminating services for 8chan.
https://new.blog.cloudflare.com/term...ice-for-8chan/
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:15 AM
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I'm tired of this narrative that they're doing it for fame, because the implication is if we ignore this type of thing, maybe it will go away. And that is stupidly naive and dangerous. A lack of publicity isn't going to stop people from doing this. The idea that knowing these people's names and what inspired them may inspire the next does not hold water. A law abiding civilian doesn't radicalize overnight because they learned their name or what they looked like. So what if they did it for fame? Denying it to them out of spite might feel satisfying, but it doesn't actually address anything. These people weren't radicalized by watching the nightly news, they were radicalized on 8chan and Stormfront.

The motivation is political, like any act of terror, and the public needs to understand who these people are, what to look out for, how to prevent the next one. Shine a bright light on the communities; the rhetoric and ideology that inspires these people, get their wretched beliefs into the public consciousness. This toxic worldview thrives in the dark corners of the internet, behind layers of irony and memes, where they have plausible deniability and the average person will actually buy into the whole 'lone wolf psychopath' narrative.
I read that the Ohio guy had a "hit list" and a "rape list". His sister was among the victims, and I didn't hear about him targeting a specific group. That sounds like trenchcoat mafia stuff... just shooting people for the sake of shooting people.

It's something special about America, which may include racism but is definitely not exclusively caused by it.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:46 AM
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I read that the Ohio guy had a "hit list" and a "rape list". His sister was among the victims, and I didn't hear about him targeting a specific group. That sounds like trenchcoat mafia stuff... just shooting people for the sake of shooting people.

It's something special about America, which may include racism but is definitely not exclusively caused by it.
This sounds like willful ignorance. There's no "may include". It definitely includes racism. But yes, there are plenty of racists out there who don't decide to massacre people, so obviously there are other factors. Dayton did not seem to have a poltical motive. El Paso had a obvious political motivation, the guy drove down there explicitly to kill migrants, he left a manifesto. As for the ones that are political in nature, which is quite a few... well, I'll give you one guess what brand of politics it is. Don't buy the "lone wolf" rhetoric. Remember as well: Christchurch, Toronto, Maga bomber, Charleston, Gilroy, and so on...

There is a false equivalency going around that because the El Paso shooter did have a manifesto and a political motive, that all mass shootings are okay to politicize. The common threads here are that mental health and gun control are not take seriously, I'll give you that. There's one party that holds most of the blame for doing jack shit about it.

This is a clear pattern, please dig your head out of the sand if you're still not sure. What happened in El Paso seems to me to be a pretty direct result of the shit coming out of Trump's mouth and twitter feed: https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...dy-maga-2019-3
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This is a clear pattern, please dig your head out of the sand if you're still not sure. What happened in El Paso seems to me to be a pretty direct result of the shit coming out of Trump's mouth and twitter feed: https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...dy-maga-2019-3
Dude. All I said was that the Dayton shooter didn't seem to have racist motivations. This reminded me of Columbine-style shootings of the past, indicating that not everything is racism, but that there's some common thread in American culture today that gets people shooting.

https://www.apnews.com/83e222c2be834d1fb3b472f9f77aabb2
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/day...lassmates-say/

Phrases like "willful ignorance" and "head out of the sand" are pretty bold, if you have no intention of contradicting my statement. So pull my head out of the sand. Does it look like the Dayton shooter was fueled by racist or anti-immigration rhetoric?
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Trenchcoat mafia stuff was racist stuff. It wasn't shooting people for the sake of shooting people. This was kind of buried at the time as the mainstream outlets talked about video games and Marilyn Manson (like Fox News is doing right now, btw), but the subculture in which the Columbine shooters immersed themselves was far right, neo-Nazi, white nationalist culture. It was the same underground current of ideology which spawned the Waco, TX incident and Timothy McVeigh.

But to your point, no I already acknowledged that the Dayton shooter did not seem to have a political motive.

I was taking issue with your final statement where the modern trend of mass shootings "may" include racism. I wanted to put that notion to bed. Racism was 100% the motive in El Paso, as it was in Gilroy, CA. Many of these massacres are very clearly racist in motivation.
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Trenchcoat mafia stuff was racist stuff. It wasn't shooting people for the sake of shooting people. This was kind of buried at the time as the mainstream outlets talked about video games and Marilyn Manson (like Fox News is doing right now, btw), but the subculture in which the Columbine shooters immersed themselves was far right, neo-Nazi, white nationalist culture. It was the same underground current of ideology which spawned the Waco, TX incident and Timothy McVeigh.
Hmm... so it turns out we were both wrong. Them being in a group called "trenchcoat mafia" and them being white nationalists were both errors reported by the media.

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Charming. They were obsessed with the body counts of McVeigh and Hitler but also the Vietnam War in general - they wanted to kill more people and make more headlines. This guy's idea of "natural selection" was to put everyone in a Doom 2 situation and see who survives. Apparently they didn't even mean to do it on Hitler's birthday; seems they'd planned for the day before. If you can link me with any reference to them thinking less of Jews, blacks, hispanics, Arabs, etc., it'll be the first I've read.

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But to your point, no I already acknowledged that the Dayton shooter did not seem to have a political motive.

I was taking issue with your final statement where the modern trend of mass shootings "may" include racism. I wanted to put that notion to bed. Racism was 100% the motive in El Paso, as it was in Gilroy, CA. Many of these massacres are very clearly racist in motivation.
Ah. Thank you for explaining that; I had completely misunderstood you!

When I said "may include racism", I did NOT mean it was debatable whether incidents like the El Paso shooting were racially motivated. I agree they were. What I meant was that there are several shootings that do not seem to even touch on racism. Including Dayton, Las Vegas, and yes, I believe Columbine.

We have a lovely little spectrum of death here in America. And nowadays I tend to lean more toward the crowd that drops blame on gun access and pro-gun culture.

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Anyone else think Ted Cruz kind of looks like Ben Affleck now that he has grown a beard and has that salt and pepper look going?
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No, he clearly looks much more like the zodiac killer.
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People are allowed to comment on incidentals.
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