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Old 07-28-2011, 08:28 PM
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Default So...Goblin Priests Worship the Light?

I've been leveling up a goblin warrior on-and-off recently, and after playing through the Goblin starting zones and part of Azshara I was surprised to hear goblin priests refer to the Light seemingly as their religion. The goblin priestess in the Lost Isles makes a comment about the Light not approving of goblin zombies, and in Azshara the airborne goblin priest greets the player with "Praise to the Light!" and departs with a "For the Light!" for good measure.

Now, can anyone tell me how this makes sense? I can _sort of_ picture a goblin post-Second War sitting in on an Alliance Holy Light sermon and immediately recognizing the profitability of an organized church and clergy, but why would the Light respond to such intrinsically selfish "worshippers"? To the extent that we know, the Holy Light isn't a conscious force that can be negotiated with as elementals apparently can a la goblin shamans. Is the goblin belief that self-enrichment is good so strong that the Holy Light answers their prayers anyway?
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:29 PM
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:30 PM
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Remember that a band of murderous demonically influenced thugs has no problems calling upon the Light.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:31 PM
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If they believe that their faith will grant them powers over light - isn't that what'll allow them to wield it? More so their own belief in that they can do it, than the light itself?
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:33 PM
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Well they force the elements to aid them for personal reasons as a Shaman so i guess they will be similar to the Gnomes as in there Medics or they will be "religious" for self gain.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:37 PM
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Remember that a band of murderous demonically influenced thugs has no problems calling upon the Light.
Was this comment really needed?

You have made it clear that you don't like goblins or humans and their beliefs.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:38 PM
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Was this comment really needed?

You have made it clear that you don't like goblins or humans and their beliefs.
Um, I was talking about the Scarlet Crusade.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:40 PM
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I was under the impression their religion was called the "Faith in the Coins".

Tell me, do they capitalize "light"? Lowercase light is just holy magic.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:45 PM
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Um, I was talking about the Scarlet Crusade.
Those are two different things.

As for the actual topic could it be that this one goblin wasn't a stereotypical goblin?
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Old 07-29-2011, 12:17 AM
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It works for me, Goblins are going to capitalize on anything if it makes a profit. Like Xil mentioned, you don't exactly need to be virtuous to use the Light, just be a believer apparently. I can see a Goblin in a battlefield selling heals. If Goblins were in the real world, they would probably be behind scientology.
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Old 07-29-2011, 12:30 AM
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I remember someone once mentioning the idea of Goblin priests running a money-based religious cult akin to Scientology (I think it was Omacron, but I can't remember).

Either way, I always liked that idea. Light worshippers who use the Light to make a profit.
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Old 07-29-2011, 12:48 AM
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I'm getting a bit tired of Goblin greed. It makes them appear very... One-dimensional. I'd like to think that there's more to the race then capitalism.
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Old 07-29-2011, 12:59 AM
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I'm getting a bit tired of Goblin greed. It makes them appear very... One-dimensional. I'd like to think that there's more to the race then capitalism.
Well, there's also explosions.
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:21 AM
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Capitalism and Brooklyn accents...so it's basically America in green midget form?
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:58 AM
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I remember someone once mentioning the idea of Goblin priests running a money-based religious cult akin to Scientology (I think it was Omacron, but I can't remember).
Whenever an idea on here is referenced.. It's always Omacron's.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:11 AM
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Those are two different things.

As for the actual topic could it be that this one goblin wasn't a stereotypical goblin?
Nope, because the one in Azshara has you bust open the tank, kill the ghost, then asks you to tell the client that he'll be receiving a bill from the church soon. Pretty much, you people questioning why the Light would respond to them are ignoring (or are unaware of) the fact that the Light is powered by the will of the user. It doesn't have motives or goals or standards. It's just energy that manifests based on the cultural attitudes of the individuals that call upon it.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:13 AM
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Um, I was talking about the Scarlet Crusade.
You realize they are completely 100% mentally insane don't you? Not thugs.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:13 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but when I did the quest, I thought they were being sarcastic, irreverent. Like, "Looky at what we can do, and without being all pious and self-righteous."
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:54 AM
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You realize they are completely 100% mentally insane don't you? Not thugs.
No,they are not insane or thugs.Just more realistic but over paranoid.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:23 AM
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You realize they are completely 100% mentally insane don't you? Not thugs.
That's the Scarlet Onslaught, and even then it's those Mal'ganis claimed. Much of the regular Crusade is normal-ish, just fanatical.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:50 AM
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Please, can you post the quest? Or the name of the goblin?
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:43 PM
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This. I quite like the idea that it's some sort of fraud, because anyone in WoW who isn't fervently religious otherwise worships nature or something, and it's nice to have a race of secularists for those of us who bend that way.

I can't see goblins being too religious, especially if my theory is correct and they're products of old gods. I see them thinking organized religion is a coping mechanism and thus a gold-making opportunity. They go through the motions but don't really buy into it, so to speak, and so they can pull off a priest but not paladin.

It'd also do a little to explain why humans seem to be uncharacteristically antagonistic to them and think of them as monstrosities.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:16 PM
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Please, can you post the quest? Or the name of the goblin?
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And yes, the goblin priest "capitalizes" the "L" in "Light," and yes, I know the Light responds to willpower and faith. What surprised me about this is that instead of a religion of their own (i.e., Omacron's "Faith in the Coins" -- Where did you hear that, by the way?), this implies that goblin priests belong to an offshoot of the Church of the Holy Light. This seems a bit strange to me considering that the Holy Light faith seemingly originated with the humans and later spread to the dwarves, high elves, and to a lesser extent gnomes, leaving it a bit of an enigma how goblins fit into this picture. Other races with the priest class have religions, faiths, cults, etc. that are tailored to their cultures (Night Elves and Elune, Tauren and the Earthmother, Forsaken and the Forgotten Shadow/Holy Light depending on their personal preference, Trolls and the Loa, etc.), so I'm curious why goblins are different in this regard.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:52 PM
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I could've sworn the Goblin priest trainer on Kezan had gossip about the "faith in the coins", but that could've been removed during beta.
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Old 07-30-2011, 05:32 PM
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I could've sworn the Goblin priest trainer on Kezan had gossip about the "faith in the coins", but that could've been removed during beta.
When I ran through the goblin starting zones on my warrior I remember the goblin priest trainer having a keen interest in money, but I don't recall her saying anything about "faith in the coins" or, for that matter, anything in particular about the specifics of her religion until the goblin zombies attacked on the Lost Isles and she remarked that the Light doesn't approve of them. It could be different if the player is a goblin priest too, though.
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