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Old 08-20-2015, 07:00 PM
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Old 08-20-2015, 07:08 PM
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not act like idiots wearing shotguns and pitchforks. a rational thought out process is better for handling the disasters of wod instead of raising pitchforks and Flamethrowers
Yes, because us giving feedback and calm disagreements or misgivings were totally not ignored and shit on.

Sometimes, pitchforks and flamethrowers are all we fans have left. We tried that crappy "rational thought" garbage during the WoD beta. Nice time is over.
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Old 08-20-2015, 07:28 PM
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the important lesson to understand is basically this: during wod blizzard changed for the worse. the fans didn't follow.
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Old 08-20-2015, 08:11 PM
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Not sure why anyone would want a sewer over a badass manor.
I don't play a Rogue (Warrior for fucking life. I've main'd my Warrior since Vanilla.) but that badass manor was destroyed... the site's been compromised... it's no longer a "secret" which is what Rogues are all about. I personally find the sewers a cooler concept than a rebuilt Ravenholdt.
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Old 08-20-2015, 08:42 PM
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I don't play a Rogue (Warrior for fucking life. I've main'd my Warrior since Vanilla.) but that badass manor was destroyed... the site's been compromised... it's no longer a "secret" which is what Rogues are all about. I personally find the sewers a cooler concept than a rebuilt Ravenholdt.

I do play a rogue and I want to go to ravenholt, preferably one rebuilt by the remains of the defias brotherhood and the PC/other notable rogues (Vanessa maybe? isn't she hinted to still be alive?) we also don't know how many people know about the site it seems that it was just the red dragon flight who attacked it and having it rebuilt could offer some cool new things allowing blizzard to basically start from scratch while keeping an iconic location and not just throwing us in the sewers

like even if the sewers are the coolest class hall it still "we got thrown in the fucking sewers, mages get a city pallys get a church and we get a god damn sewer"

but that's just my take on it
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Old 08-20-2015, 08:54 PM
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I don't play a Rogue (Warrior for fucking life. I've main'd my Warrior since Vanilla.) but that badass manor was destroyed... the site's been compromised... it's no longer a "secret" which is what Rogues are all about. I personally find the sewers a cooler concept than a rebuilt Ravenholdt.
Eh, I think the mages would be keeping a close eye on everything in their city, especially after the Bell incident. Letting someone, anyone, set up shop to that degree under their own city just invites disaster.

Ravenholdt is pretty iconic overall, and it can be rebuilt (or hell, carve out an intricate underground structure under the ruins so that it still seems destroyed). Plus I feel that Wrathion would have made use of it in some way, since it was where he was born and first started using people.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:29 PM
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I don't play a Rogue (Warrior for fucking life. I've main'd my Warrior since Vanilla.) but that badass manor was destroyed... the site's been compromised... it's no longer a "secret" which is what Rogues are all about. I personally find the sewers a cooler concept than a rebuilt Ravenholdt.
My rogue is a troll. So I don't care about Ravenholdt either.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:38 PM
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The sewers will be cool.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:54 PM
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The sewers will be cool.
Full of shit, just like modern Warcraft.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:56 PM
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Old 08-20-2015, 10:09 PM
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Full of shit, just like modern Warcraft.
Atleast Modern Warcraft 2 was better.

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Old 08-20-2015, 10:19 PM
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I don't play a Rogue (Warrior for fucking life. I've main'd my Warrior since Vanilla.) but that badass manor was destroyed... the site's been compromised... it's no longer a "secret" which is what Rogues are all about. I personally find the sewers a cooler concept than a rebuilt Ravenholdt.
I would prefer a cavern underneath Ravenholdt, kinda like the Batcave underneath Wayne Manor.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:46 PM
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Just get rid of rogues and all rogues can just roll WW or Feral
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Old 08-21-2015, 12:09 AM
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I like Az. He's just very passionate, like us.
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Old 08-21-2015, 12:14 AM
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Build a New Ravenholdt in an undisclosed location with blackjack, hookers, and Gilnean style architecture.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:07 AM
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Build a New Ravenholdt in an undisclosed location with blackjack, hookers, and Gilnean style architecture.
Stop using vision and creativity, it's not welcome here.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:43 AM
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In my opinion, the underworld of a city makes far more sense than some manor in the mountains. Sure, it doesn't sound as glamorous, but what if the secret entrance is simply in the sewers, and the rogues don't actually live in the canalisation, in the open? Doesn't that sound neat?
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Old 08-21-2015, 02:18 AM
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Just get rid of rogues and all rogues can just roll WW or Feral
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Build a New Ravenholdt in an undisclosed location with blackjack, hookers, and Gilnean style architecture.
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In my opinion, the underworld of a city makes far more sense than some manor in the mountains. Sure, it doesn't sound as glamorous, but what if the secret entrance is simply in the sewers, and the rogues don't actually live in the canalisation, in the open? Doesn't that sound neat?
You're giving Blizzard too much credit that they won't just use the exact same room except filled with Rogue NPC's rather than the Fight Club gang.
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Old 08-21-2015, 02:20 AM
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Didn't Blizz officially say there was no faction war in Cata, and that it didn't start until Theramore's bombing?
They said that the Alliance didn't consider it a war until Theramore and the reason they lost so much ground was because they weren't dedicating themselves to it. I think.

On the Ravenholdt front... hey, why not use Alterac City for something?
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Old 08-21-2015, 02:40 AM
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On the Ravenholdt front... hey, why not use Alterac City for something?
>Implying Blizzard even remember Alterac exists

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Old 08-21-2015, 02:53 AM
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I wonder how much of an impact the introduction of Demon Hunters will have on rogue numbers. If I'm not mistaken, many players only levelled a rogue as a substitute for the class they didn't expect to ever be able to play, the Demon Hunter. How likely is it that these people won't touch their rogues again, and how many are they? Rogues aren't really popular right now, are they? How bad will it be, after the DH rogue purges? Hmm...
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Old 08-21-2015, 03:04 AM
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In my opinion, the underworld of a city makes far more sense than some manor in the mountains. Sure, it doesn't sound as glamorous, but what if the secret entrance is simply in the sewers, and the rogues don't actually live in the canalisation, in the open? Doesn't that sound neat?
Add a tavern as front with secret trapdoor entrance and I'm sold. Best way to hide is to hide in plain sight.
Fuck Ravenholdt. Ravenholdt used to be cool and secretive before they introduced flying. Now every shmok could randomly pass over Ravenholdt, land on the roof and take a dump down their chimney.

Regarding DHs and Rogues: Rogues aren't popular because they're boring as fuck and offer close to no raid utility (Rogues went from the mana sponge to the class that can cheese almost every encounter mechanic in some way which is neat for the Rogue but doesn't hold up to Rallying Cry or a BR, their PvP damage is also kinda low although they're super durable). I call bullshit on Rogues being people that would preferred to play DHs, you'll find those among the Warlocks bitching and moaning about Demo being reworked.
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Old 08-21-2015, 03:07 AM
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Add a tavern as front with secret trapdoor entrance and I'm sold.
Exactly. It would be like Nadoret's Thieves' Guild.

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Regarding DHs and Rogues: Rogues aren't popular because they're boring as fuck and offer close to no raid utility (Rogues went from the mana sponge to the class that can cheese almost every encounter mechanic in some way which is neat for the Rogue but doesn't hold up to Rallying Cry or a BR). I call bullshit on Rogues being people that would preferred to play DHs, you'll find those among the Warlocks bitching and moaning about Demo being reworked.
Well, there's Sonne.

You're right about the warlocks also losing some members to the DH's. I'll play both, of course, because summoned demons are cool too.

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Old 08-21-2015, 03:08 AM
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I wonder how much of an impact the introduction of Demon Hunters will have on rogue numbers. If I'm not mistaken, many players only levelled a rogue as a substitute for the class they didn't expect to ever be able to play, the Demon Hunter. How likely is it that these people won't touch their rogues again, and how many are they? Rogues aren't really popular right now, are they? How bad will it be, after the DH rogue purges? Hmm...
Rogues can still appeal to ninja enthusiasts.
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Old 08-21-2015, 03:11 AM
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Well, there's Sonne.

You're right about the warlocks also losing some members to the DH's. I'll play both, of course, because summoned demons are cool too.
That isn't many though
I got the vibe a lot of Rogue players are just very disillusioned at the moment because DHs were presented as a mobile, aggressive in your face class (wearing leather) which used to be the Rogue shtick but got completely neutered.

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Rogues can still appeal to ninja enthusiasts.
With DHs getting double jump, dashes, forbidden magic arts and all that kind of shit?
It's every Kage No Bullshit's wet dream.

Fuck, they even have a "this isn't even my final form" ability.

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