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Old 04-18-2019, 03:03 AM
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This sounds really crazy but hear me out:

THE TITAN OF MATA-NUI

Bionicle happens on the planet of Mata-Nui, and their "god" is also named Mata-Nui. Except the planet is not really a planet, it's a planet-sized robot laying on an lifeless-ocean sphere. Oh and the "god" Mata-Nui is only kinda a god, he's just a Great Spirit- essentially a being without physical body created to operate a robot.

Do you see the similiarities yet?

Yup, Mata-Nui is pretty much a Titan, with his body being "the planet" and Great Spirit being the World-Soul.

But let's dive deeper into it, shall we? Literally deeper.

UNDERWATER FUN FOR THE ENTIRE FAMILY

Due to reasons (mostly) unrelated to this theory, Mata-Nui is dying. However, there is an artifact that can save him!

Kanohi Ignika, the Mask of Life is the only thing that can heal Mata-Nui. Our equivalent is kinda the Heart of Azeroth, but this isn't the most striking similiarity.

What is important is where the Mask was. After heroes beat the villain of the year, the Mask escaped their grasp and headead (it kinda works like the One Ring) to where the Mata-Nui was the most damaged- and it turned out to be the darkest depths of the ocean.

There lived Barraki-once powerful warlords of the ancient civilisations, they were tricked and imprisoned. Their prison later flooded and because of this they evolved into aquatic creatures.

I'm not saying the naga because this plot isn't really that uncommon, but it does remind you of something, doesn't it?

I believe this is what happens in 8.2- Champions of Azeroth vs naga and Azshara or in Bionicle version, Toa Mahri vs Barraki. If we win, it's over, we can heal the world! We're saved! Right?

Right?

THE N`ZOTH/TERIDAX SCHEME, THE TRUE BATTLE FOR AZEROTH

Obviously, the heroes won the fight. I believe the same will happen in 8.2, we will stop the Naga and Azshara will die or escape. Triumphantly, we will gather all the power in the Heart and use it all to heal/revive our beloved Azeroth.

On the Bionicle side of things, this has just happened, the heroes won against the Barraki, taken the Kanohi Ignika and with sacrifice (RIP Matoro) revived the Great Spirit of Mata Nui.

The problem is that this was all planned by the main villain of Bionicle, Makuta Teridax. The Great Spirit was alive and healthy, but weak. Teridax bound the Spirit to the Mask of Life and literally thrown him into space, while he himself took over the body of Mata Nui, becoming the single god and ruler of the world.

What does it mean in the terms of WoW?

Nzoth planned it all along. We are his agents. The Heart is going to be used to heal the Titan-body of Azeroth, while the World-Soul will be replaced by N`zoth. The Battle for Azeroth is not a battle between Blue vs Red, not a battle for control of the land, it's a battle for control of the literal body of Azeroth. And we're going to lose it,

This is how the first Void Titan will be born, not by corrupting the World-Soul, but by replacing it.

And you know what? We know we'll lose this expansion. And this is the way to lose while winning every raid fight and killing the end-boss

And where will the Azeroth World-Soul go? Well, there is a certain empty dagger....

SPACE, THE FINAL FRONTIER

This was not the end of the Great Spirit of Mata Nui tho. While all of the heroes of the Bionicle were left in an evil-controlled world, the Spirit and Mask found an inhabitated planet, created body for himself, made friends etc. etc.

What's important to us is that he eventually found a broken Great Robot,repaired it and used it to go back through space to kick butt of his own body, which resulted in 2 planet-sized robots fist-fighting, and Mata Nui eventually winning by pushing his opponent into a moon.

What will happen in Warcraft tho?

Well, from this point on, I'm full on speculating with only a few clues

Bionicle characters lacked the capacity to travel through space. We don't

The Dagger with Azeroth World-Soul will be thrown into the space and we'll follow it. And we're actually lucky-there is an empty, broken Titan body nearby. We're going to use the Red Star left behind to return to Argus and use it against the N`zoth-controlled body of Azeorth.

In the next expansion, I think

Or something entirely else. As someone recently noticed store mounts seem to somehow predate the expansion they originate from. One line from the recently released Vulpine Familiar description makes me feel we're at least going to space into the next expansion

" Fiercely intelligent and insatiably curious, this species of fox has travelled the Great Dark Beyond to seek the companionship of the greatest heroes of Azeroth. "

A fox that can travel through the Great Beyond? I think we're going to meet more like him in patches 9.0+

And now for the complete nonsense!:

MECHAGON WAS MADE TO FIX AZEROTH AND ALSO IS A BIONICLE REFERENCE

But hey, Blizzard always adds references to things, and if the story is so similiar to the Bionicle story, why are there only a few if any Bionicle references

I present to you,junker gnome and a matoran, typical Bionicle civilian.

Okay, they're not that similiar, but let's compare the origin of Matoran and the one of the Mechagnomes.

Matoran were created by space-faring Great Beings to maintain and take care the giant Robot. The Mechagnomes (and Earthen and propably Mogu and tons of other races) were created by space faring Titans to maintain and protect the world and the forming World-Soul within.

Want even more?

Why did the portal to Mechagon open right now, when Azeroth is in crysis? Because Mechagon is the facility made to fix the Azeroth if anything happens to her. This is why it's full of Gnomes- they're the "engineers" after all. It's opening is either done by one of the Mechagnomes wanting help in saving Azeroth or it opens automatically when Azeroth's health is in critical state.

Why do the society of Mechagon values robotic parts over the fleshy ones? Because they know (or at least feel) what they were supposed to be- the Curse of Flesh prevents them from doing their job, this is their way of "fighting it". Or at least it was, hundreds of years before, now perhaps they degraded and forgotten why are they doing this.

REASONS (MOSTLY) UNRELATED

I said before that Mata-Nui is dying due to reasons (mostly) unrelated. That is, he was exposed to the Virus made by Makuta Teridax that put him into a long sleep and eventually killed him.

Considering Teridax is an equivalent to N`zoth, what could the Virus be in Warcraft?

The curse of flesh, obviously.

Think about it. All the Titan creations were supposed to protect Azeroth. What are they doing now? Most of them is at war with Horde, some of them are serving kinda deranged Titan keepers and the biggest defender of the Azeroth is a fleshy creation that was transformed back into the Earthen (well, Diamond-en), Magni.

Mechagon gnomes tried to fight this by replacing their fleshy parts with machines but evenetually even they fell to the Curse and the madness that came with it.

So while the Curse of Flesh doesn't directly hurt Azeroth, perhaps stone and metal, mindless servants of Titans could've repaired the damage from the sword of Sargeras already, while in our case the Azeroth is dying because of it.

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THERE ARE A TON OF SIMILIARITIES BETWEEN THE BIONICLE LORE AND CURRENT WARCRAFT TITAN LORE

BIONICLE ALSO HAS THEIR "TITANS" AND "WORLD-SOULS"

IN THE UNDERWATER REALM, THE HEROES OF BIONICLE USED A MAGICAL ARTIFACT TO HEAL THEIR "WORLD-SOUL" BUT THE MAIN VILLAIN USED THIS TIME TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE "TITAN BODY" AND THROWN THE WORLD-SOUL INTO SPACE.

THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND N'ZOTH WILL REPLACE WORLD-SOUL OF AZEROTH AND PUT IT IN THE DAGGER

THE BIONICLE "WORLD-SOUL" FOUND A NEW BODY IN SPACE AND WENT BACK TO FIST FIGHT HIS OWN BODY BACK

THE VULPINE FAMILIAR MAY BE A CONFIRMATION WE'RE GOING INTO SPACE IN NEXT EXPANSION

AZEROTH WORLD SOUL IS GOING TO TAKE OVER ARGUS TITAN BODY AND FIST FIGHT N`ZOTH (I HOPE)

ALSO THE MECHAGON WAS SUPPOSED TO FIX AZEROTH BUT THEY WENT MAD BECAUSE OF CURSE OF FLESH AND BEGAN CUTTING OFF THEIR LIMBS TO REPLACE THEM WITH MACHINES BUT IT DIDN'T STOP THE CURSE
Based on this theory I think the World Soul of Azeroth will be thrown into the Great Dark, the heroes will attempt to follow it and will end up landing on the ruins of K'Aresh while trying to find Argus (where the soul supposedly went to).
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:00 AM
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Honestly even if they pull some "clever subversion" this story has already been too similar to Garrosh's shitty story for my taste.

You lads wanna place your bets on who will be Garrosh 3.0 after the next good Warchief is inevitably wasted?

I am putting my money on Gallywix, followed by Lor'themar as the good Warchief.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:26 AM
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Honestly even if they pull some "clever subversion" this story has already been too similar to Garrosh's shitty story for my taste.

You lads wanna place your bets on who will be Garrosh 3.0 after the next good Warchief is inevitably wasted?

I am putting my money on Gallywix, followed by Lor'themar as the good Warchief.
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Old 04-18-2019, 12:09 PM
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If they make the fall of Sylvanas nothing but Jaina's Power Hour with Genn and Tyrande cheering at her from the sidelines consider me gone, tired of the Jaina shilling whereas every other Alliance character plays nothing more than a supporting or sidekick role this whole expansion.
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Old 04-19-2019, 02:36 AM
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So there's another Dark Warden in 8.2. That's... the third Warden who gets corrupted in the last three expansions?

For such an elite force, they sure fall from grace quickly. Maybe it's time to dismantle the organisation.
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Old 04-19-2019, 05:57 AM
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There are 8.2 void elf Twilight's Hammer mobs.

So much for resising the whispers, it seems...
Amazing, their core specialty was ruined before the race could get any meaningful development.

(14 months, 4 patches and I'm still waiting for any story to flesh them out...)
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Old 04-19-2019, 10:17 AM
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There are 8.2 void elf Twilight's Hammer mobs.

So much for resising the whispers, it seems...
Amazing, their core specialty was ruined before the race could get any meaningful development.

(14 months, 4 patches and I'm still waiting for any story to flesh them out...)
If every single one of them could master it, then it wouldn’t be special. Some of them have to fail in order for success to be meaningful.

Still, they do need to flesh out a lot. Horde dialogue indicates some drama kicking up within the Sindorei. Maybe the Ren’dorei will get a piece of it.
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So there's another Dark Warden in 8.2. That's... the third Warden who gets corrupted in the last three expansions?

For such an elite force, they sure fall from grace quickly. Maybe it's time to dismantle the organisation.
WoD and Legion had same warden didn't they?


And this is probably just another "forsaken" warden
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Maybe the Void Elf can get some kind of inner fight like the Blood Elves and the Wretched in BC. That was one of the cool elements of that race. And just like everything cool about Blood Elves, it was dropped after BC.
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Maybe the Void Elf can get some kind of inner fight like the Blood Elves and the Wretched in BC. That was one of the cool elements of that race. And just like everything cool about Blood Elves, it was dropped after BC.
Dropped after their STARTING ZONES.
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:19 AM
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If every single one of them could master it, then it wouldn’t be special. Some of them have to fail in order for success to be meaningful.

Still, they do need to flesh out a lot. Horde dialogue indicates some drama kicking up within the Sindorei. Maybe the Ren’dorei will get a piece of it.
Without any meaningful story, it’s just dumb. The number of failures need to be low or the race becomes a burden to the Alliance rather than an asset. What's the point of being the "race that masters the Void" if you end up with a high number of failures? The first void elf to fall to the whispers should be a big deal (and something to fear).

We are not talking about a numerous race here, but a tiny cult. It’s already a big stretch to see so many generic void elves everywhere, they should be getting named characters with specific stories and opinions. Instead, not only they are appearing in impossible numbers, they’re now even generic Twilight’s Hammer mobs as well.

It’s lazy storytelling at its worst. Blizzard is just pretending void elves are a race like any other.
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Without any meaningful story, it’s just dumb. The number of failures need to be low or the race becomes a burden to the Alliance rather than an asset. What's the point of being the "race that masters the Void" if you end up with a high number of failures? The first void elf to fall to the whispers should be a big deal.

We are not talking about a numerous race here, but a tiny cult. It’s already a big stretch to see so many generic void elves everywhere, they should be getting named characters with specific stories and opinions. Instead, not only they are appearing in impossible numbers, they’re now even generic Twilight’s Hammer mobs as well.

It’s lazy storytelling at its worst. Blizzard is just pretending void elves are a race like any other.
I don't think they have a 'high' number of failures, but I agree Blizz is bad at story/flavor in regard to population numbers and the like.
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I don't think they have a 'high' number of failures, but I agree Blizz is bad at story/flavor in regard to population numbers and the like.
Once you start having generic Twilight's Hammer mobs from a race that has no meaningful population, I consider it a "high" number of failures.
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Old 04-19-2019, 11:35 AM
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Dropped after their STARTING ZONES.
Well, not entirely dropped. The Wretched returned at Quel'danas, as the reignited Sunwell drew them there and the Legion started feeding them fel.

Post-SWP though, the Wretched seemed to cease being a factor, presumably because the restored Sunwell allowed anyone who hadn't already succumbed to the addiction to more easily moderate their arcane intake.
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Without any meaningful story, it’s just dumb. The number of failures need to be low or the race becomes a burden to the Alliance rather than an asset. What's the point of being the "race that masters the Void" if you end up with a high number of failures? The first void elf to fall to the whispers should be a big deal (and something to fear).

We are not talking about a numerous race here, but a tiny cult. It’s already a big stretch to see so many generic void elves everywhere, they should be getting named characters with specific stories and opinions. Instead, not only they are appearing in impossible numbers, they’re now even generic Twilight’s Hammer mobs as well.

It’s lazy storytelling at its worst. Blizzard is just pretending void elves are a race like any other.
At this point I can only assume that Umbric's followers weren't a 'handful of disciples" cult but a "massive commune" cult. More like Jonestown instead of the Manson Family.
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There are 8.2 void elf Twilight's Hammer mobs.

So much for resising the whispers, it seems...
Amazing, their core specialty was ruined before the race could get any meaningful development.

(14 months, 4 patches and I'm still waiting for any story to flesh them out...)
we see crazy void elves in the island expedition! the void is a dark and maddening force it is normal for some to fall
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At this point I can only assume that Umbric's followers weren't a 'handful of disciples" cult but a "massive commune" cult. More like Jonestown instead of the Manson Family.
Problem is that Telogrus just does not have any structure to house such a comunity, and Umbric's group didn't have other places to hide that we know of (and, if they had, the ones outside Telogrus wouldn't have been transformed).

But maybe I'm applying too much logic for such a bad story.
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Problem is that Telogrus just does not have any structure to house such a comunity, and Umbric's group didn't have other places to hide that we know of (and, if they had, the ones outside Telogrus wouldn't have been transformed).

But maybe I'm applying too much logic for such a bad story.
They probably just live in Stormwind and train in the Rift.

But yes, I agree, the Rift is a bad idea for a racial home. It's cool on paper to live on the edge of the abyss, but why can't Void Elves have cool building styles that hammer in their overall flavor and aesthetic more?

Honestly Suramar is just the best racial home, I want to say Shadowforge is too but it's still stuck with vanilla-era graphics and there are somethings about it that bug me. (Like Rocknot not being present along with his succubus squeeze, I don't like the implication of that.)
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They probably just live in Stormwind and train in the Rift.
Nowadays? Ok. But I'm talking about their exile.

It does not make sense that they could have gathered in large numbers, because they were studying dangerous magics most people would avoid, they were relatively unknown and they had no structure to house a large population.

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This is something that bothers me. Only the Horde sees it. Alliance-side, void elves appear pretty normal, and Umbric, their representative, seems to be calm, rational and collected. So, is it a case of Blizzard telling different stories per faction, or is Blizzard purposefully hiding the dark side of void elves from Alliance players to set up treason ahead?

Given how little we know of the void elves, I wouldn't be surprised if they mostly go traitor and reveal to be serving the Void Lords all along. Alleria's coming was foretold and Umbric has feigned loyalty all along. He then ends up as the first fight of the last raid or something.

Except... how do you make a playable race go traitor? Will the playable ones be just the remnants (of an already small group) that remained loyal? Or will they be obviously evil while the Alliance is hit by the (bigger) idiot bat and is incapable of seeing the void elves' activities, much like the Horde largely ignored the forsaken's for so long?
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Nowadays? Ok. But I'm talking about their exile.

It does not make sense that they could have gathered in large numbers, because they were studying dangerous magics most people would avoid, they were relatively unknown and they had no structure to house a large population.


This is something that bothers me. Only the Horde sees it. Alliance-side, void elves appear pretty normal, and Umbric, their representative, seems to be calm, rational and collected. So, is it a case of Blizzard telling different stories per faction, or is Blizzard purposefully hiding the dark side of void elves from Alliance players to set up treason ahead?

Given how little we know of the void elves, I wouldn't be surprised if they mostly go traitor and reveal to be serving the Void Lords all along. Alleria's coming was foretold and Umbric has feigned loyalty all along. He then ends up as the first fight of the last raid or something.

Except... how do you make a playable race go traitor? Will the playable ones be just the remnants (of an already small group) that remained loyal? Or will they be obviously evil while the Alliance is hit by the (bigger) idiot bat and is incapable of seeing the void elves' activities, much like the Horde largely ignored the forsaken's for so long?
I think it's more likely that some of them will become evil instead of the whole race
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I think it's more likely that some of them will become evil instead of the whole race
Some... who?

They have no freaking characters!

There's Alleria, and there's Umbric. What's the point of someone going evil if we don't even know the characters beforehand?

"Oh, they could use the ones from the islands."

Ah, three characters without backstories that Alliance can barely interact with? Or maybe the flight master in Nazmir? One of the two smiths? Maybe the dancers from the underwater bar in Drustvar? I know! Instructor Duskwalker, who also lacks any backstory, and Alliance players won't even know who he is unless they made a velf and explored Telogrus beyond the start area.

But okay, let's imagine "some" of the race goes evil anyway. A bunch of nobodies, with zero shock value, are serving N'Zoth. Now what? We keep a race that is a remnant of a remnant of a remnant after the betrayal? And by then it will be proven that void elves are not any better at resisting void magic than anyone else, so what about we stop these void experiments and forbid more transformations? (can they make more? We still don't know for sure)

Or will Alliance be still okay with corruptive void magic despite the high chance of being betrayed by very powerful beings?

I'm still trying to puzzle together what's the damn narrative purpose of the void elves, but their lore is so shallow that it's impossible to find any. They truly feel, IMO, like an afterthought to fill a race slot, and the devs have no idea of what to do with them.
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Some... who?

They have no freaking characters!

There's Alleria, and there's Umbric. What's the point of someone going evil if we don't even know the characters beforehand?

"Oh, they could use the ones from the islands."

Ah, three characters without backstories that Alliance can barely interact with? Or maybe the flight master in Nazmir? One of the two smiths? Maybe the dancers from the underwater bar in Drustvar? I know! Instructor Duskwalker, who also lacks any backstory, and Alliance players won't even know who he is unless they made a velf and explored Telogrus beyond the start area.

But okay, let's imagine "some" of the race goes evil anyway. A bunch of nobodies, with zero shock value, are serving N'Zoth. Now what? We keep a race that is a remnant of a remnant of a remnant after the betrayal? And by then it will be proven that void elves are not any better at resisting void magic than anyone else, so what about we stop these void experiments and forbid more transformations? (can they make more? We still don't know for sure)

Or will Alliance be still okay with corruptive void magic despite the high chance of being betrayed by very powerful beings?

I'm still trying to puzzle together what's the damn narrative purpose of the void elves, but their lore is so shallow that it's impossible to find any. They truly feel, IMO, like an afterthought to fill a race slot, and the devs have no idea of what to do with them.
the warlocks caused many problems in the history of azeroth and the alliance and the horde continue to tolerate them. that some void elves who become evil and join nzoth is as common as some warlocks become evil and join the legion. There is no need to ban something just because a couple of bad apples did something wrong.
On what is the narrative purpose of the void elves I think we will see it in the war that we will have sooner or later with the lightbound of draenor! Exarch Garrosh and Yrel are going to cause problems in the future that's for sure.

The idea of void elves is to show that not all void is bad and lightbound will show that light can also be bad.
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