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Old 06-07-2014, 01:03 PM
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The Republicans never supported The New Deal and did support the Civil Rights Act. Take your revisionist history elsewhere!
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Old 06-07-2014, 01:11 PM
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The Republicans never supported The New Deal and did support the Civil Rights Act. Take your revisionist history elsewhere!
And Strom Thurmond specifically switched from Democrat to Republican because of LBJ's decision to sign the Civil Rights Act. He felt that the Democratic leadership had betrayed the South. The parties of today are not the same as they were during the Civil War, and it's disingenuous to try to equate them.

It is not revisionist history to say that southern conservatives were once Democrats, but over time they have switched over to the Republican party, because that is something that actually happened.
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Old 06-07-2014, 01:15 PM
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The Republicans never supported The New Deal and did support the Civil Rights Act. Take your revisionist history elsewhere!
The New Deal produced a political realignment, making the Democratic Party the majority (as well as the party that held the White House for seven out of nine Presidential terms from 1933 to 1969), with its base in liberal ideas, the white South, traditional Democrats, big city machines, and the newly empowered labor unions and ethnic minorities. The Republicans were split, with conservatives opposing the entire New Deal as an enemy of business and growth, and liberals accepting some of it and promising to make it more efficient.

"Most people don't realize that today at all -- in proportional terms, a far higher percentage of Republicans voted for this bill than did Democrats, because of the way the Southerners were divided," said Purdum.

The division was geographic. The Guardian's Harry J. Enten broke down the vote, showing that more than 80% of Republicans in both houses voted in favor of the bill, compared with more than 60% of Democrats. When you account for geography, according to Enten's article, 90% of lawmakers from states that were in the union during the Civil War supported the bill compared with less than 10% of lawmakers from states that were in the Confederacy.

Enten points out that Democrats still played a key role in getting the law passed.

"It was also Democrats who helped usher the bill through the House, Senate, and ultimately a Democratic president who signed it into law," Enten writes.


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It really isn't factual to claim more Democrats voted against the bill than Republicans. Percentage wise, yes, but if you really add up the numbers, it shows more Democrats voted for it than Republicans did.

There were two sets of votes

1st vote - (The House version)

The House:
Democratic Party: 15296
Republican Party: 13834

The Senate:
Democratic Party: 4423
Republican Party: 276

Second: (The Senate Version)
Senate -
Democratic Party: 4621
Republican Party: 276

The House:
Democratic Party: 15391
Republican Party: 13635

Broken down by region, party, house/senate (north vs south)

Vote 1 - House version:
Southern Democrats: 787
Southern Republicans: 010

Northern Democrats: 1459
Northern Republicans: 13824

Vote 2 - Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 120
Southern Republicans: 01

Northern Democrats: 451
Northern Republicans: 275

Overall, more Dems voted for and more Dems voted against than the Republicans did on either side of the issue. So, it can't truly be stated that more Republicans voted for it than Democrats. What can be said is that a higher percentage of Republicans were for it than against it compared to the percentage for and against on the Democrats side. People that won't take the time to research the actual numbers will believe that less Democrats actually voted in favor, and it's tiresome trying to point out the facts. However, the article does try to point out that it was based more on southern vs northern ideology, something many tend to ignore
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Old 06-07-2014, 01:19 PM
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And Strom Thurmond specifically switched from Democrat to Republican because of LBJ's decision to sign the Civil Rights Act. He felt that the Democratic leadership had betrayed the South. The parties of today are not the same as they were during the Civil War, and it's disingenuous to try to equate them.

It is not revisionist history to say that southern conservatives were once Democrats, but over time they have switched over to the Republican party, because that is something that actually happened.
It is revisionist history to say the Republicans voted against the Civil Rights Act and that most of the Democrats that voted against it switch to the Republican party. It is demonstrably and verifiably false. Most of those Democrats stayed with the party until they retired or died. The south didn't become Republican until the late 1990s and that was because newer Republicans came around.
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Old 06-07-2014, 01:22 PM
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I think this sums up the last page or so.

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Old 06-07-2014, 01:37 PM
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And Strom Thurmond specifically switched from Democrat to Republican because of LBJ's decision to sign the Civil Rights Act. He felt that the Democratic leadership had betrayed the South. The parties of today are not the same as they were during the Civil War, and it's disingenuous to try to equate them.

It is not revisionist history to say that southern conservatives were once Democrats, but over time they have switched over to the Republican party, because that is something that actually happened.
Strom Thurmond was the ONLY segregationist that switched parties. All of the others that switched, were already supporters of the Civil Rights Act. The rest of the Democrats that were segregationists stayed in the party till death.
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Old 06-07-2014, 02:10 PM
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I think this sums up the last page or so.

Apparently some people (Often republicans by the looks of it) cream their pants over the fact that the US Democratic party used to be the "bad" party, so they enjoy the guilt by association. Sometimes its usd in conjunction with the idea that nigh on a political generation ago the Democrats still weren't that great, therefore democrats must be racist. Also, Democrats are always bad people when they call Republicans racists, so therefore calling Democrats racist is perfectly acceptable.
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Old 06-07-2014, 02:16 PM
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Apparently some people (Often republicans by the looks of it) cream their pants over the fact that the US Democratic party used to be the "bad" party, so they enjoy the guilt by association. Sometimes its usd in conjunction with the idea that nigh on a political generation ago the Democrats still weren't that great, therefore democrats must be racist. Also, Democrats are always bad people when they call Republicans racists, so therefore calling Democrats racist is perfectly acceptable.
I never said the Democrats were racist. I just don't think they can deflect their bad past onto the other party. It isn't like it really matter anymore anyways. It is just a red herring. It was 50 years ago. The Democrats and the Republicans both don't support those positions.
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Old 06-07-2014, 02:26 PM
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Apparently some people (Often republicans by the looks of it) cream their pants over the fact that the US Democratic party used to be the "bad" party, so they enjoy the guilt by association. Sometimes its usd in conjunction with the idea that nigh on a political generation ago the Democrats still weren't that great, therefore democrats must be racist. Also, Democrats are always bad people when they call Republicans racists, so therefore calling Democrats racist is perfectly acceptable.
It is perfectly acceptable, as Democrats tend to support the racism of "lowered expectations" through Affirmative Action and had an assload of KKK members and supporters in their history.
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Old 06-07-2014, 02:31 PM
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Remind me again what relevance any of this has to the modern political parties?
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Old 06-07-2014, 02:35 PM
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I like that, the racism of lowered expectations. I think i'll hang on to it. I despise Affirmative Action, but I think both parties support that lower expectations nonsense. The democrats more so, obviously.
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Old 06-07-2014, 02:39 PM
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I never said the Democrats were racist. I just don't think they can deflect their bad past onto the other party. It isn't like it really matter anymore anyways. It is just a red herring. It was 50 years ago. The Democrats and the Republicans both don't support those positions.
Republicans are perceived as racists based on what they say and do NOW as opposed to the past. One of the reasons why people connect Republicans to past racism is because of how Southern Republicans have a stereotypical, romanticized view of the Confederacy. Also those who are openly racists stereotypically support conservative views, so they're more attracted to Republicans. That doesn't mean all Republicans are racist, or that there aren't racist Democrats, but that's the perception.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:26 PM
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Republicans are perceived as racists based on what they say and do NOW as opposed to the past. One of the reasons why people connect Republicans to past racism is because of how Southern Republicans have a stereotypical, romanticized view of the Confederacy. Also those who are openly racists stereotypically support conservative views, so they're more attracted to Republicans. That doesn't mean all Republicans are racist, or that there aren't racist Democrats, but that's the perception.
Is it not just because racial demagoguery is easier than thinking?
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Is it not just because racial demagoguery is easier than thinking?
No.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:40 PM
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No.
Is it not catering to the bottom denominator?
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:43 PM
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Is it not catering to the bottom denominator?
No. So colored people are the bottom denominator?
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:47 PM
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No. So colored people are the bottom denominator?
Colored people are not the bottom denominator.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:48 PM
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Colored people are not the bottom denominator.
Ok.
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:11 PM
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Ok.
Are you afraid of Ragnahar?
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:11 PM
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Republicans are perceived as racists based on what they say and do NOW as opposed to the past. One of the reasons why people connect Republicans to past racism is because of how Southern Republicans have a stereotypical, romanticized view of the Confederacy. Also those who are openly racists stereotypically support conservative views, so they're more attracted to Republicans. That doesn't mean all Republicans are racist, or that there aren't racist Democrats, but that's the perception.
The only reason Democrats aren't perceived as racist, is because of all of the racial demagoguery and pandering. Republicans abhor pandering, as it highlights one "group" over another, rather than focus on the whole.

Also, please do tell, where are all of these "racist" Republican actions and words?
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:12 PM
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Are you afraid of Ragnahar?
Are you afraid of Fojar?
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:13 PM
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Are you afraid of Fojar?
That is different, as Fojar is a nutcase.
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Old 06-07-2014, 04:16 PM
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That is different, as Fojar is a nutcase.
You're a pot, Fojar is a kettle, and Ragnahar is a pan.
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Old 06-07-2014, 05:39 PM
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You're a pot, Fojar is a kettle, and Ragnahar is a pan.
Are you saying we're all black? Can I say the N word now?
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