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Old 04-23-2019, 09:50 PM
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So apparently Lor'themar says Baine represents all that is Horde in the latest build.

So:

* Exiling your own people for self defense.
* Letting your people be slaughtered.
* Breaking the Horde oath allowing all members the right to retaliation.
* Sending pieces of yourself to the enemy.
* Having trouble trusting orcs.
* Letting invaders conquer your land.


Are all that is Horde according to BFA...
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:17 PM
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So apparently Lor'themar says Baine represents all that is Horde in the latest build.

So:

* Exiling your own people for self defense.
* Letting your people be slaughtered.
* Breaking the Horde oath allowing all members the right to retaliation.
* Sending pieces of yourself to the enemy.
* Having trouble trusting orcs.
* Letting invaders conquer your land.


Are all that is Horde according to BFA...
Blizz shilling too hard.
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:51 AM
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It's possible, datamining is a mess right now. It would be super easy for the bigger sites to have missed something or for someone to make something up and have it be difficult to disprove.


Update: new build with interesting information. Sylvanas talks about her true plan again (without saying what it was) and it reveals what exactly was going on with her connection to Nazjatar:

Xal'atath (the blade not the entity, we know it can still speak from the Crucible of Storms quests) told her about Azshara's trap. Sylvanas deliberately sends the Horde fleet there to lure out the Alliance fleet so that both fleets will be destroyed to ensure "substantial casualties on both sides." Her reasoning to the player being that she's going to have everyone she suspects of being disloyal to her sent with the fleet so they'll all be killed by Azshara. She also says the war "is serving its purpose" while the player should "focus on the endgame."

Even more worrying, Sylvanas' plan lines up exactly with this line from the 7.3.5 dream journal quotes:
(I realised I had talked about Il'gynoth's whispers and how they seen to map BfA events a few pages back, so I edited my post to talk about what I think will happen instead).

My take is that we're going to Quel'thalas. I've commented it a few pages ago, but I think she will bring Xal'atath or something else to the Sunwell, while using the Horde to shield her.

Why I think we're going back to the Sunwell?

First, Il'gynoth's whisper: "Its surface burns bright, masking the shadows bellow". The Sunwell is a fount of Light, but we also know it reacts to shadow. The belf heritage questline also shows the lantern glowing voidy after being dipped into the Sunwell.

Second, void elves. I can't believe Blizzard is not going to do at least one story where they are important and get deep development, and 8.3 is the last chance for that. I also have the feeling Blizzard will set up an event that will create lots more of void elves, maybe even turn the high elves into void elves. This could be the way to turn the void elves into a true race, and a story about corrupting the Sunwell could fit that.

Third, Sylvanas' story started in Quel'thalas, we've had several pararels of her to Arthas, it's kind of fitting that it ends in Quel'thalas, with her doing her best Arthas impression to date.

But why would Sylvanas do this? Because she made a deal with a greater power. But I think Blizzard will throw a curveball and it won't be N'Zoth. Helya is my bet. Helya tricked Vol'jin into making Sylvanas warchief. Helya made Sylvanas learn of her existance so she, once warchief, would seek Helya for their pact. Sylvanas failing to capture Eyir made her indebted to Helya and desperate. Helya's death in Legion was a feint (from Blizzard) to make us forget her.

But why would an entity of Death be working with the Old Gods/the Void? Who knows, maybe it isn't. Maybe her intent is to kill Azeroth and everyone in it, and that's why the Void is so afraid of Sylvanas.

So, I'm thinking Sylvanas will go to Quel'thalas in the absence of Lor'themar, Alliance will attack because she's there and, during the fight, which will be the biggest battlefield of this war, Sylvanas will sneak to Quel'danas and do her stuff. When everyone realises what she did, it's too late.
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:51 AM
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The boy-king serves at the master’s table. Three lies will he offer you.
Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below.


I think these two might refer to the same thing. The Light (Anduin, Calia) are not as pure as would seem.
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:53 AM
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The boy-king serves at the master’s table. Three lies will he offer you.
Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below.


I think these two might refer to the same thing. The Light (Anduin, Calia) are not as pure as would seem.
I wonder what are the three lies.
The second seems to be him declaring that the Alliance is close to victory.

Ogmot says the first was already told. What was it?
And what will be the last one?

The other, to me, is the Sunwell. Nightborne recruitment scenario AND blood elf heritage questline both hint at it having some voidy stuff happening in it. Which is why I think the story will lead us back there in its final act.

(I rewrote my entire last post btw, I don't know if you saw the edited version)
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Old 04-24-2019, 07:21 AM
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So apparently Lor'themar says Baine represents all that is Horde in the latest build.

So:

* Exiling your own people for self defense.
* Letting your people be slaughtered.
* Breaking the Horde oath allowing all members the right to retaliation.
* Sending pieces of yourself to the enemy.
* Having trouble trusting orcs.
* Letting invaders conquer your land.


Are all that is Horde according to BFA...
all that makes baine good in the eyes of developers, being a lover of humans is what makes it good, because humans are wonderful. If you are bad with humans, then you are evil and you deserve to die

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Old 04-24-2019, 08:17 AM
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So is Sylvanas gonna be another Garrosh or another Kerridan?
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Old 04-24-2019, 08:49 AM
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So is Sylvanas gonna be another Garrosh or another Kerridan?
My guess is Kerrigan, with a dash of Code Geass "I had to unite the world against me" nonsense, tbh
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Old 04-24-2019, 12:36 PM
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So is Sylvanas gonna be another Garrosh or another Kerridan?
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Old 04-25-2019, 09:36 PM
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I’m less confused by you answering yes to an either/or question than I am by the fact that you answered “yes.”
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Old 04-26-2019, 05:30 AM
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I’m less confused by you answering yes to an either/or question than I am by the fact that you answered “yes.”
Should have used xor instead of or.
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Old 04-26-2019, 07:19 AM
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Old 04-28-2019, 08:47 PM
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I keep forgetting to post things here that we find or talk about in the discord, so here’s this:

https://twitter.com/theredshirtguy/s...523345920?s=21

I’m really excited for mechagnomes (and vulpera for that matter) to be an allied race.
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:04 PM
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Bah, Vulpera and Mechagnomes are not good ideas imo.

The 'junkergnomes' overlap too much with the Wotlk Mechagnomes

And Vulpera... well tbh I just don't think we needed another mammal race, and they feel so disconnected from the Horde and even the Zandalari.
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:29 PM
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Bah, Vulpera and Mechagnomes are not good ideas imo.

The 'junkergnomes' overlap too much with the Wotlk Mechagnomes

And Vulpera... well tbh I just don't think we needed another mammal race, and they feel so disconnected from the Horde and even the Zandalari.
Not to mention it just doesn't feel like there's any one Vulpera who's their "government" and who would bring the rest along if he or she joined the Horde. As portrayed in-game, the Vulpera aren't a "nation" or even a tribe or clan; they're just various disconnected wagon trains and individual tradesmen making their way in Vol'dun, along with a smattering of individuals who've joined the Bilge Rat pirate crew in Kul Tiras.

Despite having a rep bar for Horde players, even the "Voldunai" seems like just a catchall phrase for any non-Sethrak living in Vol'dun.

Plus they're such a narrowly localized presence with such zone-specific interests that the idea of them joining the Horde feels pointless. There's noting outside Vol'dun that should interest them so much that they want to sign on for antagonizing a global superpower and engaging in imperialistic wars of expansion on the far side of the world.

Same goes for these "junker gnomes" too, really. The impression I'm getting is that we show up to save them from a despotic king; that seems like a moronic time for them to immediately decide that they want their freshly liberated people to join a faction and start dying abroad in its wars.

Then again...the same could be said of the idiocy behind the Highmountain tauren and the Nightborne joining the Horde.

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Old 04-29-2019, 01:42 AM
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Bah, Vulpera and Mechagnomes are not good ideas imo.

The 'junkergnomes' overlap too much with the Wotlk Mechagnomes

And Vulpera... well tbh I just don't think we needed another mammal race, and they feel so disconnected from the Horde and even the Zandalari.
We’ve discussed mechagnomes before so I’ll leave it at that.

However, a race of scrappy nomads who’ve learned to endure a harsh land through creative ways and resourcefulness is disconnected from the Horde?
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Old 04-29-2019, 09:02 AM
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I'd much rather Gilgoblins than Vulpera. They fit the pattern of the rest of the allied races much better, and I think they're the most viable option for an aquatic themed race there is.

But I haven't played this damn game in 7 years, so I guess my opinion shouldn't hold any weight.
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Old 04-29-2019, 11:35 AM
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I would add gilgoblins as the Horde counterpart to Alliance mechagnomes, with vulpera being a neutral allied race available to both factions. They're far too unique and popular to be given solely to one faction, while the other gets another improved base race.
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Old 04-29-2019, 08:20 PM
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We’ve discussed mechagnomes before so I’ll leave it at that.

However, a race of scrappy nomads who’ve learned to endure a harsh land through creative ways and resourcefulness is disconnected from the Horde?
Because they have no ties to kalimdor and barely any to the zandalari
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Old 04-30-2019, 05:44 AM
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Because they have no ties to kalimdor and barely any to the zandalari
I'm not sure why they would need either in order to become allies of the Horde. There are other factors, like Alliance encroachment, that could serve as their motivation.

The bigger hurdle is justifying why the Horde would want such an insignificant civilisation to as an ally. On the other hand, it's not as if the Horde has ever eschewed more bodies for the meat grinder. (Be they willing or enslaved.)
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Because they have no ties to kalimdor and barely any to the zandalari
Kalimdor ties aren't necessarily required but Kiro, who is the leader of the main Vulpera caravan, did pledge himself and his people to help the Zandalari at Rastakhan's funeral. Between that and the Alliance burning vulpera caravans and killing them... they've got all the drive they needed to join the Horde. Not sure they'd warrant a playable race though. They're a tiny tiny faction.
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Old 05-01-2019, 05:39 PM
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Kalimdor ties aren't necessarily required but Kiro, who is the leader of the main Vulpera caravan, did pledge himself and his people to help the Zandalari at Rastakhan's funeral. Between that and the Alliance burning vulpera caravans and killing them... they've got all the drive they needed to join the Horde. Not sure they'd warrant a playable race though. They're a tiny tiny faction.
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Vulpera should not be a playable race because I personally abominate them
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:31 PM
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