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Old 12-22-2017, 07:43 PM
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And Snoke got tunnel vision about his vision. It’s like the Jedi not realizing that Anakin would kill them before balancing the Force.
I'm pretty sure they figured it out once he started killing their younglings.
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Old 12-23-2017, 04:15 AM
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Not a fan of this one. It was interesting in some of its concepts, but it also seemed thoroughly confused about what it wanted to be. It was more interested in doing the unexpected thing than creating a coherent narrative, universe or creative vision.
-Purple hair lady is a true hero, as shown by her self-sacrifice, but Finn can't sacrifice himself because self-sacrifice is bad!
-Free the animals! Leave behind the slaves to take the blame! Start talking about how dying to save the animals is all worth it, even if you also think the future of the galaxy depends on your mission!
-Snoke is the mysterious big bad guy with mysterious motivations! Whelp, we don't need to see any more of him.
-We must not slavishly revere the old ways, as told to us by an exact recreation of an outdated prop, in a series where every design is a recycled one, and in a sequel to a movie that was a beat-for-beat copy of an earlier one.
-Why did Phasma exist anyway?

Also, some good old fashioned questions about internal logic:
-What the heck's the timeline between movie VII and VIII? The last scene of the previous movie is like the third scene of this movie, which would normally indicate that there is no timeskip (and indeed, Poe and Rey not having met would seem to confirm the lack of timeskip). However, in that same amount of time, the entire galaxy has been all-but-conquered?
-How is the resistance this weak? I mean, yeah, the entire galaxy is being overrun by stormtroopers. However, last time the galaxy got taken over, you managed to assemble a pretty decent fighting force. Here, the entire resistance seems to consist of a single squadron of x-wings, four terrible bombers, two small freighters and one big freighter.
-So were those bombers intended to be used for suicide runs? Because that bomber with Rose's sister getting caught in the explosion from its own munitions had nothing to do with battle damage, and was completely the result of it being ridiculously slow.
-So what was the point of the dark side cave? Rey totally gave into to it, but no actual consequences seemed to be there.
-How the heck can Rose have grown up under the First Order? Weren't they supposed to be in the mysterious deep reaches of space until very recently?
-Where does the First Order get all of these wonderful technologies that no one else has? Hyperspace weaponry, absorbing suns for power, hyperspace tracking, miniaturized death stars, engineering feats that trump the death star and executor both.
-So, orange lady pointed brainwashed stormtrooper and superfluous character to a codebreaker in a casino. They try to get to him, get arrested, and as a result, find a codebreaker who can do exactly what they want. So was that what orange lady wanted to happen? Was this a force prophecy, dumb luck or what?
-Wait, the first order buys its ships from the private sector? Did the private sector just have a galactic murder-fleet lying around for the first order to take over?
-So what exactly is the deal with the knights of Ren? The accounts of Ren's break with Luke all act like it's just about sensing darkness within the guy, but at the same time Ren apparently had half the academy already in place to murder the other half? And where are they now?
-Wait, pseudomotion is a superweapon now? Why not just put a hyperdrive on a missile then? Actually, wait, didn't the Executor in Rogue One get in the way of a pseudomotion?
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Old 12-23-2017, 06:23 AM
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I'm pretty sure they figured it out once he started killing their younglings.
Don’t think that counters what I said.
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Old 12-23-2017, 08:44 PM
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What was the point of killing Luke anyway? The whole revelation that he wasn't really there was cool as hell and the point of that was to shown that Ren could not kill him. And then he dies by himself anyway. What a joke.

Also, we've got no idea of who the hell Snoke is and he dies like a scrub.

And don't get me started on how utterly bad and ridiculous the scene where Leia uses the Force to save herself was...

But still, at least it's not a remake of another movie like the VII was so it's still better. I'd say the movie had a few good ideas, most of which were badly done but at least the idea wasn't that bad. 6/10
This. All of this.

I just got back from the movie and I have a goddamn headache. I can't even be happy that there was a kid next to me reenacting the fight scenes, I'm just so pissed with what they've done to Luke and the laws the physics. I want to give this movie the belt.
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Old 12-24-2017, 08:06 AM
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You're eight movies too late to be angry on behalf of the laws of physics.

And I like Angry Old Man Luke, if that's what bothers you.

If it's his death that bothers you, then I'd say it was formulated so as to make slightly more physical sense than it would have otherwise. He wouldn't have had time to travel to Not-Hoth in person, and if he had then he would have died in that volley of heavy artillery. So instead of dealing with the vast distances of space and ridiculous firepower of the First Order, he sends his Force Skype. But just like Yoda evaporated after lifting a space ship out of a swamp, so does Luke evaporate after expending all his mana on that last trick.

Anyway, it's not a bad thing that Luke is dead. The only problem is that he's not, actually, the last of his kind after all.
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Old 12-24-2017, 09:38 AM
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And I like Angry Old Man Luke, if that's what bothers you.
He's not "Angry Old Man Luke," though. He's Timid Pussy Old Man Luke. And we're not the only ones that disagree with the radical change in his character...
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Old 12-24-2017, 10:03 AM
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I point to Yoda and Obi Wan to contradict his claim that 'Jedis don't give up.'

It's also weird that he presumes Luke will be the same person as an old man that he was as a kid, and that we're back to talking about Lucas as a master visionary.
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Old 12-24-2017, 10:50 AM
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Luke has always been one of the least interesting movie Jedi. Can't say I'll miss him.
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Old 12-24-2017, 11:53 AM
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I point to Yoda and Obi Wan to contradict his claim that 'Jedis don't give up.'
When did Yoda and Obi-Wan "give up"?
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Old 12-24-2017, 12:22 PM
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At least they let Luke made a heroic comeback. So I'm not too sad about it.


First Order and the overall setting is the biggest problem.
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Old 12-24-2017, 12:34 PM
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When did Yoda and Obi-Wan "give up"?
Obi-Wan i'm admittedly a little conflicted about; on the one hand he DID watch over Luke, whom he perceived as the one true hope for the future (as indicated by his physical proximity in order to facilitate an apprenticeship down the line; sure, Leia was well protected as a royal princess but she didn't have a Jedi Master waiting next door) so you could argue that he was mainly biding his time.
On the other hand he was still a young man when he went into exile and there wasn't exactly a complete lack of co-conspirators to pick up Luke in some way, shape or form should he had died in battle. And while one Jedi is unlikely to bring down the Empire i'm sure Obi-Wan could have done SOMETHING besides perfecting his krayt-dragon cosplay during these 18-ish years. He was a battlefield asset completely dropped from the map in the fight against the Empire. No, he wouldn't have been able to kill the Emperor but we know what havoc a single Jedi can wreak upon his enemies. Yes, Obi-Wan was watching over the future. Yes, he did so twiddling his thumbs.

Yoda... Yoda went into exile and didn't even want to train Luke when he finally came around. I give him the benefit of the doubt on that one during Empire; since he died of old age in Return he was probably already feeling death creeping up on him at that point. Yoda really truly did just give up. The defeat at the hands of the Emperor probably drove home the point that he was simply getting too old. Which makes sense, i suppose. When you're 900 years old another less-than-20 years isn't going to make a huge difference. Without the force he was already too frail to walk long distances.
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How many times do you think Obi Wan showed up to force-slap Luke around for being a little bitch and still feeling sorry for himself after so many years?
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How would you guys have handled Luke's story?

Let him suffer some serious setback, not outshine the new generation but end greatly?
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Old 12-24-2017, 06:05 PM
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Old 12-24-2017, 09:12 PM
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I point to Yoda and Obi Wan to contradict his claim that 'Jedis don't give up.'

It's also weird that he presumes Luke will be the same person as an old man that he was as a kid, and that we're back to talking about Lucas as a master visionary.
He’s said that at most Luke would take a year off before trying to fix shit.
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"The first time they talk is right after Holdo is named interm leader. She tells everyone to man their stations, including Poe. This is probably because the plan hasn't been fully formed yet. There is nothing to really tell.
Then Poe finds out about the possibility of tracking through hyperspace and instead of informing the rest of command he unilaterally sends Finn and Rose on to Canto Bight.
Then Poe goes on his temper tantrum on the bridge. Notice he still doesn't tell Holdo about Finn and Rose trying to sneak on to the Supremacy. He just insults Holdo and is justifiably sent off the bridge.
Finally in the hanger he eventually tells Holdo about Finn and Rose but it's already too late. That is when he puts his mutiny plan in action.
Poe wasn't involved or told because he was too busy doing his own thing instead of manning his station. If he was and if he went to Holdo with information earlier, he would probably be let in on the plan."
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Not a fan of this one. It was interesting in some of its concepts, but it also seemed thoroughly confused about what it wanted to be. It was more interested in doing the unexpected thing than creating a coherent narrative, universe or creative vision.
After the buyout Lucasfilm promised they're gonna have a unified, cohesive canon. Then this movie showed there is no canon, and all the books/comics/tv shows are useless and don't have any impact on the story. Even the EU had unity with it's events, it's problems were about outrageous events with universe threatening villains of the week. TLJ not only shat on certain characters but the canon consistency entirely, anything can fly now, non-movie media can be retconned/contradicted at any time. Why didn't ghost Yoda and Obi Wan fry Sheev on the death star? Why didn't the rebels hyperspace ram the shield on the beach planet in RO, why didn't space jesus Anakin snap Snoke's neck when he showed up. Why didn't Obi Wan throw his good friend in lava whenever he meditated on Mustafar? And so on.

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First developed as the original suit of Kylo. They thought it wasn't unique enough so they got Gwendoline instead to exploit both the stronk womyn agenda and the GoT fanbase.

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However, in that same amount of time, the entire galaxy has been all-but-conquered?
''They make a desolation and they call it peace.'' They murderfucked 3-4 planets and inhabit said empty system now.

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-How is the resistance this weak? I mean, yeah, the entire galaxy is being overrun by stormtroopers. However, last time the galaxy got taken over, you managed to assemble a pretty decent fighting force. Here, the entire resistance seems to consist of a single squadron of x-wings, four terrible bombers, two small freighters and one big freighter.
It was very small from the beginning, and their few supporters died with the planets destroyed by Starkiller base.

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-Where does the First Order get all of these wonderful technologies that no one else has? Hyperspace weaponry, absorbing suns for power, hyperspace tracking, miniaturized death stars, engineering feats that trump the death star and executor both.
Fuck knows. Snoke and some aliens from the throne room are said to come from the unknown regions but how did he get so rich or take over the Imperial remnants to turn it into the first order is anyone's guess.

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-Wait, the first order buys its ships from the private sector? Did the private sector just have a galactic murder-fleet lying around for the first order to take over?
The First Order has been buying from and sponsoring certain terrorist groups to weaken the Republic prior to their galactic invasion. It's from the novel Bloodline which exists as damage control for TFA to explain the political situation of the galaxy.

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-So what exactly is the deal with the knights of Ren? The accounts of Ren's break with Luke all act like it's just about sensing darkness within the guy, but at the same time Ren apparently had half the academy already in place to murder the other half? And where are they now?
Just pretend they were the red guards and the reason they bounced all over the place is because they couldn't see through those stupid helmets.

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So... i just saw it.

It was horrible.
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Old 12-25-2017, 12:26 PM
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So... i just saw it.

It was horrible.
So those of you who have been denegrating this film must find yourself in agreement with the one poster on this site of universally bad taste.
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Other good comments I found:
"Except you know the whole benevolent Jedi training young padawans is how George Lucas established how Jedis learn the ways of the force. This is precisely the problem I have with Rey's story, she's space Jesus 2.0 except worse because at least Anakin trained under Obi Wan and the Jedi Counsel. George made it clear in the PT, you don't have to be a Skywalker or anyone special to be a Jedi, but you do need to train to tap into it. Heck, Luke with the Skywalker bloodline couldn't even do the blaster ball without getting shot when he first started. I like in Rogue One what Luke wasn't able to do initially, blindly stop blasters initially, they gave Chirrut Îmwe who wasn't a Jedi but learned some of the basics the ability to do just that so it's not to say you can't push the limits slightly. Here Rian Johnson just said my vision for Star Wars is more important than how it's been established in the PT/OT and I'm going to make Rey so force sensitive that a couple hours with Luke is all she needs. Why? Because there needs to be a balance as Kylo Ren grows stronger. That's not Star Wars, that's lazy writing."

"Rey's characterization is...not good. I don't really understand her motivation, the ease with which she developed an amicable relationship with Kylo makes absolutely no sense given their on-screen history, and the ease with which she uses the force/fights with a light saber doesn't make sense given what we've been told in every other form of Star Wars media about how the force works/is used.
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Rey's decision to go to try to turn Kylo doesn't make any sense to me. She literally scarred the dude for life like 2 days before the events of TLJ and all of a sudden she has all this compassion for this dude who was just trying to fucking murder her? I just feel like so many of Rey's actions in TLJ are to service the story and not to give her a meaningful backstory/motivation."
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"Except you know the whole benevolent Jedi training young padawans is how George Lucas established how Jedis learn the ways of the force. This is precisely the problem I have with Rey's story, she's space Jesus 2.0 except worse because at least Anakin trained under Obi Wan and the Jedi Counsel. George made it clear in the PT, you don't have to be a Skywalker or anyone special to be a Jedi, but you do need to train to tap into it. Heck, Luke with the Skywalker bloodline couldn't even do the blaster ball without getting shot when he first started. I like in Rogue One what Luke wasn't able to do initially, blindly stop blasters initially, they gave Chirrut Îmwe who wasn't a Jedi but learned some of the basics the ability to do just that so it's not to say you can't push the limits slightly. Here Rian Johnson just said my vision for Star Wars is more important than how it's been established in the PT/OT and I'm going to make Rey so force sensitive that a couple hours with Luke is all she needs. Why? Because there needs to be a balance as Kylo Ren grows stronger. That's not Star Wars, that's lazy writing."
Whine whine whine, bitch bitch bitch, boo boo boo.

Oh no, Something something George Lucas, we’re pretending it took more than five minutes for Luke to master that laser ball, Rey is literally the prequels.
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we’re pretending it took more than five minutes for Luke to master that laser ball
He mastered the ball(s). And then Vader kicked his ass and cut off his arm. Meanwhile Rey has defeated both Kylo and Luke in combat in the span of a few days.
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He mastered the ball(s). And then Vader kicked his ass and cut off his arm. Meanwhile Rey has defeated both Kylo and Luke in combat in the span of a few days.
Only beat Ren in a force tug-of-war, and only beat Luke because he’s a weak old man without a connection to the force.

Checkmate, atheists.
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I'm 85 percent sure there was a nicer way to say that.
Also meaner ways.



So. Here's a not at all brainstormed, hastily compiled list of reasons why i don't think it was good.

1) First of all, the jokes. I get it, Star Wars can be funny, but some characters just shouldn't be the butt of a joke, especially the entire time. I knew Hux was a whimp in this one, i mean i DID do my research, but.... yeah no. And the thing is i don't think this was done for the wittle kids either, i think it was just a really bad design decision. (Contrast and compare to Rogue One.)

2) Speaking of Hux: the First Order. They're a joke. They're IDIOTS. The amount of times i wanted to yell at the screen going "Scramble fighters, SHOOT them, send TIE interceptors after them, FUCKING! DO! SOMETHING!" is unbelievable. This is Saturday Morning kids cartoon-level of incompetence. How much fucking ceremonial do you need to axe two infiltrators? HOW was the Resistance able to outrun an entire fleet of brand spanking new Stardestroyers? Hyperdrive seems to be working like a fucking Instant Travel now, does the ENTIRE FIRST ORDER FLEET not have a single ship on standby that's a little fast? REALLY? Why wasn't the Raddus endlessly bombarded by TIE Interceptors and TIE Bombers? How is everyone in charge here such an incompetent jerk off? How am i supposed to be intimidated by these yahoos?

3) Star Wars writers have no sense of scale. Even with a significantly disarmed Republic they'd have a couple of fleets stationed around. Also: this is a universe where Death Stars are a thing - if you're trying to tell me the Republic didn't have some people off-planet JUST IN CASE someone blows up their capital i'm going to laugh at you. In any universe worth it's salt the Republic government would have a clear line of succession that would immediately start taking the fight to the First Order.
But apparently there isn't just nobody else, there's apparently also no fleets, no armies, not even a RESISTANCE. What you wanna tell me now what they had in The Totally New Hope was ALL they had? A couple of concept art X-Wings, a Home Two and some redshirts? Really? Seriously? Thefuck is everyone ELSE doing? I shit you not, if this situation had occured in the old EU SOMEONE would have built a droid army or at least commissioned a new clone regiment just to deal with those losers. There is NO military left in the entire GALAXY other than the five-ish ships the First Order apparently has? Are you high?

4) Poe is a mutineer, Finn is complicent in his mutiny and frankly i'm amazed he wasn't summarily shot on the spot as an exemple.

5) Admiral Sattler did everything right, except not wearing a uniform. This isn't so much a negative rather than an extention to the above part. But frankly, it does serve to make Poe REALLY unlikeable in this movie.

6) They torpedoes both the Finn/Rey and the Finn/Poe pairings, the latter of which i was shipping.

7) Basically absolutely everything about Luke Skywalker. Start to finish. Not a single thing here worked. At all.
I can buy Luke going dark when he finds out about Ben's darkness. That's not what i take issue with; Luke's always been on the darker side of grey. But then he went ahead and went into exile and.... ah, did what? Searched for, found and then ignored an ancient sacred tree?
Look, early pupils going darkside isn't a new thing for Luke - it's happened a lot in the Expanded Universe. And Luke's reaction to this has never been to give up. Least not permanently. Why? Because failure is the best teacher. EU Luke knew that. Canon Luke needed a horrible omnipotent puppet after who-knows how long he's been growing his pubic hair beard on that shitty little planet at the ass-end of nowhere... which he didn't wanted to be found on, which begs the question "why the fuck does R2 even have a map to him?".
What the fuck did kill him in the end, a broken heart? Has he lost his will to live? Must lie in the family.
No. I say no to ALL of this. This characterization isn't just inconsistent with EU Luke; we've ditched that, okay, fine, but he's not even consistent with MOVIE Luke. A New Hope Luke was a brat but he evolved. He changed, he grew. Return Of The Jedi Luke is more Jedi Master than this sad old woodwork. And at the end he casually decides to become one with the force for no reason despite there being, you know, A NEW JEDI TO TRAIN and a fucking WAR to fight, in that order and ideally at the same time!
Also... it pains me to say it but both Mark Hamil's and Carrie Fisher's performances were terrible. At least Leia didn't have a real story; Luke was kind of important and.... it just didn't work. And i kept hearing a depressed Joker in him.

8) Snoke is still a terrible name.

9) I'm usually a fan of crushing the mystery box and throwing it out the window but you don't fucking do it by ignoring it. Killing off Snookie and spending a good twenty seconds on Rey's parents being nobodies was just about the worst ways to deal with the crap A Rebooted Hope set up.

10) Apparently someone in the writing room looked at crazy outlandish Force Power feats of strength in the old EU and decided to take it as a challenge. This is a movie that whaggles it's finger at what the Force ISN'T while making shit up about it as it goes. Long Range Transwarp Force Ghost Transmition makes Transwarp Beaming look tame by comparison. Suddenly Force Ghosts can call upon and control lightning and fire. Leia, a character who's not once mentioned to be trained in the force, pulls a Data, i mean a Superman. On the other hand, Snookie, who's LITERALLY PROBING KYLO REN'S HEAD AT THE TIME can't figure out that said Ben is currently settung up Snookie's murder.
I mean come on at least be consistent with your bullshit WITHIN YOUR OWN MOVIE.

11) "Ew, salt."

12) "Alright guys let's all fly in a streight line and not move at all other than forward." I'd call the Bomber pilots idiots too but considering their usual display of competency i actually have a hard time arguing that under most other circumstances the First Order probably WOULD have just let them fly in and bomb their dreadnought.

13) Hyperspace Travel literally doesn't work like that. Like, at all.
IF i wanted to play devil's advocate i'd say "Okay, fine, i give you crashing into the Mega Stardestroy..." *facepalms* "...i give you crashing into the MEGA Stardestroyer because we see ships jumping away from the camera when they jump, even though inside the cockpit it's made pretty clear that they immediately enter Hyperspace." Okay. Fine. But... thefuck ended up eating the fleet BEHIND that initial crash? Was that the force too?

14) Look i generally like Rey and all, i don't see her as a mary sue at all but then you just HAD to do the Jesus Lighting in the end, didn't you.

15) In the attempt to homage Episode 5 and 6 The Last Jedi ended up copying both. Considering The Force Awakens was basically a retelling of A New Hope i figure Episode 9 will bring us a modern take on the Prequels. (With mystery boxes, of course.)

16) Okay, i can't actually stress this one enough: ALL that's left of the Resistance fits into the Millenium Falcon. ALL. OF. IT. AND they're sharing the place with some porgs to boot.

17) The Casino planet scene is basically this movie's version of the Jabba's Palace scene in Return, or Mas Kanada's place in The Force Retcons; an instant skip too boring to watch.
Though, i do feel like adding that there's some rather heavy handed crap going on. Sure, SOME of these guys are going to be death merchants. Like, if there's a kuati on site.
But you really wanna hammer home that EVERY GUEST there is a war merchant? Not a single entertainer there? Not a single toy manufacturer? Like, guys, come the fuck on.

18) The first time the Force theme appeared i almost teared up. By the fifth time it was starting to annoy me.

19) I'm sure these four kid slaves stranded under a cgi alien with no means to escape will be essential in bringing down the First Order.
Speaking of - the New Republic died about half a week ago tops, and that casino planet isn't exactly Tattooine. HOW THE FUCK is slavery still a thing? No wonder nobody is comming to the Resistance's rescue.
(Incidentally that one kind of confirms that Hyperspeed is now more or less equivalent with instant-travel and not just dealt with as such as a conservation of detail for the sake of movie length.)

20) After making sure that the original trilogy, the prequel trilogy, the clone wars, rebels and basically every other official Star Wars production uses Aurebesh instead of english.... we now have a 2017 Star Wars movie that quite prominently uses arabic numbers throughout the entire movie. (the two that stuck with me were the label on the Escape Pod Finn wanted to ditch in and the markings on the Canto Bite policemen.) Note that even THE FORCE AWAKENS of all movies managed to not fuck this one up.

Total Sin Counter: 20, and that's generous
Sentence: I am impressed. Every single scene in that movie is wrong.

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