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Old 05-26-2017, 03:58 AM
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Dissent CAN be patriotic.
It is not inherently so. Leaking something because you think its wrong is one thing.
Leaking something because you dont like whos in charge is another.
Is leaking information about domestic spying patriotic?
Is leaking information about our government colluding with a foreign government to harm our country patriotic?
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:13 AM
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:14 AM
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Is leaking information about domestic spying patriotic?
Is leaking information about our government colluding with a foreign government to harm our country patriotic?
To some, yes.
To others, no.

You'll notice Ive not spoken out against leakers in the Trump administration for the most part.

This press incident, and a few others that I've been quite on, do neither of those.
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:24 AM
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You'll notice Ive not spoken out against leakers in the Trump administration for the most part.

This press incident, and a few others that I've been quite on, do neither of those.
So you're just against leaks that undermine the authoritarian control of this administration and in favor of those that help destroy our relations with foreign nations including those part of Five Eyes?
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:25 AM
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You do keep trying to take over europe...
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:32 AM
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Looks like a lot of the stuff about what's going on in the Philippines is turning out to be fake news. "Beheaded" people are talking about how they're still alive, doctors are saying they were never hostages, etc. The "invasion force" is less than 100 Filipinos that aren't even Daesh but wish they were and they're all hiding.
I was starting to wonder why our resident angry Filipino wasn't ranting about it. Why do rightists keep making up fake news?
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:44 AM
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Be glad. The less reliance on the transatlantic shenigans, the more independent can the continent become. Pax Americana is failing, if it ever had any prospect of success, it's time to take our matters and future back into our own hands.
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:49 AM
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Be glad. The less reliance on the transatlantic shenigans, the more independent can the continent become. Pax Americana is failing, if it ever had any prospect of success, it's time to take our matters and future back into our own hands.
It has worked for 72 years. Sad to see it go because people want to be dumb.
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:15 AM
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It has worked for 72 years. Sad to see it go because people want to be dumb.
From what I remember, the world has changed from bipolar to unipolar less then 72 years ago. Try telling a Hungarian whose relatives perished in 1956 that he has enjoyed 72 years of Pax Americana. Or a Czech-Austrian whose family was heavily persecuted under the regime. Or a Serbian whose country was completely wrecked under the so called peace. And I am speaking only of the people here on this forum.
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:36 AM
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Hey hey!

Now you can join the party of countries who've been denounced by the US for idiotic reasons.
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:42 AM
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But are people cheating when it comes to trade?
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:58 AM
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But are people cheating when it comes to trade?
Well, I don't know about the state of trade between the United States and Germany, but if it's anything like the trade disputes between Canada and the United States, then someone probably is cheating.

But it's probably the US
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:12 AM
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Well, I don't know about the state of trade between the United States and Germany, but if it's anything like the trade disputes between Canada and the United States, then someone probably is cheating.

But it's probably the US
It appears that Trump is upset that german cars are popular and sell well in the US while american cars aren't. Our Vice-Chancellor famously answered to that "Then build better cars."
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:12 AM
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Everyone knows that Germans always follow the rules.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:19 AM
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Volkswagen.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:21 AM
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:49 AM
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Well, I don't know about the state of trade between the United States and Germany, but if it's anything like the trade disputes between Canada and the United States, then someone probably is cheating.

But it's probably the US
Trump would say "Fake news!
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:42 AM
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Good. Out of all of our nations blue print for the perfect humans, I like yours the most.
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Old 05-26-2017, 02:25 PM
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From what I remember, the world has changed from bipolar to unipolar less then 72 years ago. Try telling a Hungarian whose relatives perished in 1956 that he has enjoyed 72 years of Pax Americana. Or a Czech-Austrian whose family was heavily persecuted under the regime. Or a Serbian whose country was completely wrecked under the so called peace. And I am speaking only of the people here on this forum.
Yes, I'm sure they all would have been much better off without the US.
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Old 05-26-2017, 02:39 PM
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So you're just against leaks that undermine the authoritarian control of this administration and in favor of those that help destroy our relations with foreign nations including those part of Five Eyes?
I actually do hate Five Eyes considering the US can go through them to spy on its citizens.
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Old 05-26-2017, 02:55 PM
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I actually do hate Five Eyes considering the US can go through them to spy on its citizens.
I'd like for that part to be cut out, but intel allies are a really good thing to have. Losing them will hurt us.

[edit] We're really bad at keeping this thread in the "international" theme. Here, have some picture of the Filipino military doing their thing right now. Looks like they did a pretty good job.
http://imgur.com/a/NLkJC
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:22 PM
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i actually do hate five eyes considering the us can go through them to spy on its citizens.
I disagree.

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Old 05-27-2017, 03:37 AM
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Everyone knows that Germans always follow the rules.
To your own detriment.
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Old 05-27-2017, 06:19 AM
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I love the German people but I have some reservations about the German government.
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Old 05-27-2017, 07:00 AM
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Our government does some incredible stupid shit, like all governments do, but looking at what some other countries are up to, it could be much, much worse.
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