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Old 04-02-2014, 07:03 PM
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Default Why did Shokia join the rebellion

When Shokia is introduced in MOP, she's shown as a hardliner, extreme Garrosh loyalist with no sympathetic qualities like basically all orcs in MOP. She captures Anduin, and excitedly brings up the subject of torturing him.
Even on timeless isle, Shokia is shown as loyal to Garrosh, warning the player not to step out of line.

I'm guessing blizzard realized last minute that there were no sympathetic orc characters in MOP aside from Thrall, Saurfang, and Eitrigg, and thus made Shokia join the rebellion last minute. But if so, they totally failed at making a sympathetic or good orc character in the expansion.

Why didn't they use preexisting orc characters that already had sympathetic qualities like Zaela, Bloodhilt, Runthak, or Nazgrel rather then making them entirely unsympathetic with no explanation or forgetting about them entirely is beyond me.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:06 PM
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Did she even know there was a rebellion going on?
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:06 PM
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Gorgonna would've been a great face to bring back too. Her victory over Krenna was very much in line with what the "good" orcs were supposedly trying to do about Garrosh.

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Pretty sure she shows up in the Underhold to repair your shit.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:11 PM
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Nazgrel hasn't even mentioned once since Burning Crusade. We don't even know how he reacted to Garrosh being Warchief, or the rebellion or anything. He was just totally forgotten entirely.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:18 PM
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Maybe they wanted to show that even some of the more bloodthirsty orcs still thought Garrosh was going too far/had loyalty to all of the Horde (Shokia never seems racist to the non orc members of the expedition, then again, neither does Nazgrim, but he seems to regret being on Hellscream's side and just thinks he has to be).
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:20 PM
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Maybe they wanted to show that even some of the more bloodthirsty orcs still thought Garrosh was going too far/had loyalty to all of the Horde (Shokia never seems racist to the non orc members of the expedition, then again, neither does Nazgrim, but he seems to regret being on Hellscream's side and just thinks he has to be).
Then why did they make the sympathetic orcs evil for no reason or show Shokia's change? She just goes from one of Garrosh's most loyal followers, even more then Nazgrim, to joining the rebellion for no reason other then a very half-assed attempt to show one good orc.

The whole Siege Of Orgrimmar and Garrosh is EVUUL was a huge disaster of writing.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:25 PM
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Shokia: Hey guys, I wanna join Garrosh!

Zaela: Excuse me? You're going to try to join us? There's a one-woman limit in this raid, and it's gonna be me.

Shokia: Fuck you too! I'll join the rebels then.
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Old 04-02-2014, 07:30 PM
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Also Shokia is shown to resent the Hozen, so she is shown as racist against non-orcs, Insane guy of Doom.

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Shokia: Hey guys, I wanna join Garrosh!

Zaela: Excuse me? You're going to try to join us? There's a one-woman limit in this raid, and it's gonna be me.

Shokia: Fuck you too! I'll join the rebels then.
They should've killed off Shokia instead of Zaela. Zaela was the one depicted positively, and accepting of the other races of the Horde. Plus, the reason she liked Garrosh, was gone entirely in his trainwreck of a portrayal in Mists Of Pandaria.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:00 PM
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Also Shokia is shown to resent the Hozen, so she is shown as racist against non-orcs, Insane guy of Doom.



They should've killed off Shokia instead of Zaela. Zaela was the one depicted positively, and accepting of the other races of the Horde. Plus, the reason she liked Garrosh, was gone entirely in his trainwreck of a portrayal in Mists Of Pandaria.
I wouldn't hold her feelings about hozen on the same level as the player horde races. None of them seem to actually like the hozen, aside from Kiryn.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:01 PM
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I wouldn't hold her feelings about hozen on the same level as the player horde races. None of them seem to actually like the hozen, aside from Kiryn.
The player disapproves of her attitude towards the Hozen based on the description of her note.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:01 PM
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Also Shokia is shown to resent the Hozen, so she is shown as racist against non-orcs, Insane guy of Doom.
Would you like a species that constantly is dealing with poop jokes, references, etc. It's like working with the Blizzard quest developers
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:51 PM
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It's a time of war for the Horde and the Rebels really didn't have a good cause. Basically everything boiled down to a personal dislike of Garrosh and if you happened to like and agree with him, you would remain loyal to him. Unless you were the PC character. Then you got shoehorned into fighting against him.

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They should've killed off Shokia instead of Zaela. Zaela was the one depicted positively, and accepting of the other races of the Horde. Plus, the reason she liked Garrosh, was gone entirely in his trainwreck of a portrayal in Mists Of Pandaria.
Wasn't that because he had a diverse Horde? In case you hadn't noticed, Garrosh was very open to other races in MoP. His stance had softened considerably from what it was in Cata. The thing is Garrosh didn't like people he thought were disloyal and disloyalty was cut along racial lines for the most part.

Garrosh likes the PC character, regardless of their race or gender. He thinks your a wonderful and honorable champion of the Horde!

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Old 04-03-2014, 02:45 AM
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Ehmm, killed off?
Zaela is still alive and will be in WoD. We only killed Galakras, not her.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:50 AM
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Again, Zaela's fate was sealed the moment Blizzard got wind of those Garrosh-Zaela shippers back in Cataclysm.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:51 AM
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Again, Zaela fate was sealed the moment Blizzard got wind of those Garrosh-Zaela shippers back in Cataclysm.
First Thraggra, and now Garrola! Orcs getting into relationships everywhere!
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:54 AM
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Saurfang was the earliest with the cleave.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:56 AM
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Saurfang was the earliest with the cleave.
Saurfang and his Cleavage are certainly something special.
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And all it takes is a tactically calculated "for the Horde" rallying the troops to make them all think "OMG she really does care!"
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Old 04-03-2014, 03:04 AM
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As for Shokia, Blizzard had her join the rebels because she was with the PCs more recently thus making her more familiar with the players.
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Old 04-03-2014, 04:49 AM
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Nazgrel hasn't even mentioned once since Burning Crusade. We don't even know how he reacted to Garrosh being Warchief, or the rebellion or anything. He was just totally forgotten entirely.
Just one of the many fucks that makeup the clusterfuck of current Horde Lore.
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Old 04-03-2014, 04:57 AM
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I still don't get why they didn't throw Rexxar in, even if he didn't get his 5.3 appearance, he still could have been down in the Underhold at least, maybe with some flavour dialogue afterwards.

I mean that's about as much as Baine got. Huehue.
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Old 04-03-2014, 05:01 AM
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Gorgonna and Rexxard should have made cameos. As should Genn Greymane.
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Gorgonna and Rexxard should have made cameos. As should Genn Greymane.
Gorg/Rexx? Yes.

Genn? I understand (or, just theorise) why they didn't include him. Genn not calling out Varian's bullshit and/or not wanting to kill Sylvanas there and then would have been even more moronic. It's the one time I'll accept the Worgen being off-screen.
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Just one of the many fucks that makeup the clusterfuck of current Horde Lore.
Honestly, Nazgrel probably should have been Thrall's first choice for a replacement.
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Gorg/Rexx? Yes.

Genn? I understand (or, just theorise) why they didn't include him. Genn not calling out Varian's bullshit and/or not wanting to kill Sylvanas there and then would have been even more moronic. It's the one time I'll accept the Worgen being off-screen.
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Honestly, Nazgrel probably should have been Thrall's first choice for a replacement.
Indeed, that was my first thought when reading The Shattering

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Old 04-03-2014, 05:22 AM
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Genn? I understand (or, just theorise) why they didn't include him. Genn not calling out Varian's bullshit and/or not wanting to kill Sylvanas there and then would have been even more moronic. It's the one time I'll accept the Worgen being off-screen.
You actually think Blizzard thought of that when they didn't include Genn Velen and Genn were cut because their "spots" were taken by Anduin and Jaina.
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