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Old 12-03-2013, 01:48 PM
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Exactly. Having more limitations (in terms of personnel, budget, or influence) could actually allow for better results. Such a team would be unable to enact sweeping and epic changes (which would likely run into many of the same problems that such changes normally engender) and instead focus on small details that enrich the setting.

Rather than altering the storyline, one could simply add lore items or NPCs who offer commentary (much as Blizzard did in MoP). Some accounts could even be contradictory. For scenery, a small area that is visually striking but serves no readily apparent purpose (such as the waterfall with the Dark Portal statue in western DuskwoodŚthough that might have a graveyard) can do wonders for atmosphere.

Little details matter!
Yes, that's the purpose of this team.

Other thing I'd try to do would be seek out Faction-affiliated mobs that are quest targets for the other faction, like Huntress Davinia. We often find these mobs, they have nothing to say... they are just there! What's this high elf doing in Night Elf lands? I'd love to add gossip text in which you talk to these mobs and learn about them, their objectives and personality.
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I'd downplay the grandiose comic book plots and invest more effort in details and ground-level charm. Like the Caravan, but everywhere.
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:52 PM
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I should ban everyone who uses the term "comic book" as if it were a genre instead of a medium.
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:55 PM
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I should ban everyone who uses the term "comic book" as if it were a genre instead of a medium.
It is a genre, as well as a medium. If you're going to sulk at my conflating trashy over-the-top sex'n'violence grunge with classy storytelling, you are welcome to join me in making a distinction between the former 'comic books' and the latter 'graphic novels.'
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Old 12-03-2013, 01:58 PM
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It is a genre, as well as a medium. If you're going to sulk at my conflating trashy over-the-top sex'n'violence grunge with classy storytelling, you are welcome to join me in making a distinction between the former 'comic books' and the latter 'graphic novels.'
So, classy sex'n'violence?
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:04 PM
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So, classy sex'n'violence?
Indubitably. /monocle
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:15 PM
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It is a genre, as well as a medium. If you're going to sulk at my conflating trashy over-the-top sex'n'violence grunge with classy storytelling, you are welcome to join me in making a distinction between the former 'comic books' and the latter 'graphic novels.'
If its a genre, its only because decades of misuse of the term led to a new definition.

"Graphic novel" is a PR term invented by those too stuck up to admit that they like to read book-length comics.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:40 PM
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Getting away from the comic-book derailment...

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Yes, that's the purpose of this team.

Other thing I'd try to do would be seek out Faction-affiliated mobs that are quest targets for the other faction, like Huntress Davinia. We often find these mobs, they have nothing to say... they are just there! What's this high elf doing in Night Elf lands? I'd love to add gossip text in which you talk to these mobs and learn about them, their objectives and personality.
I really dig this idea, as it might actually promote world-pvp in a bit of a sideways manner, because if you're an Alliance character talking to an Alliance NPC and a Horde character rolls up to kill the NPC, you might have something to say about that.

I also really dig the idea of talking existing spaces between zones and trying to liven them up a bit. The Dwarven Breadbasket area on the northern side of the mountain over Ironforge would be a great place to add NPCs to just explain where the resources for Khaz Modan really comes from.
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Old 12-03-2013, 02:57 PM
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Hmm...

Eastern Kingdoms
-Phase Westfall once its quests are done, mostly around Sentinel Hill.
-Give Raven Hill in Duskwood some Gilnean architecture. I'd also add some flavor text in Darkshire about the locals distrusting the worgen.
-Add something in Alterac. Maybe even just a few flavor NPCs who talk about its fall in the Second War.
-Give Gilneas a steam train that players can ride
-Give Stonard services so it's equal to Theramore.
-More Widlhammers and Dark Irons in Ironforge.
-TwiHi Wildhammer buildings at Aerie Peak.
-Undercity's orc guards replaced with Forsaken.

Kalimdor
-Make the Howling Oak bigger and put more under it. Add some Gilnean buildings around the outside.
-Update Forest Song with WoD draenei buildings.
-Add Gallywix to his palace and make an easy land path up for any Alliance players who want to kill him
-Trolls and worgen in Nighthaven.
-Org's orc guards replaced with trolls.

And on both continents I'd add some wandering Pandaren, maybe at the quest hubs or just out in the wilds, I don't know. Integrate them somewhere. Stormwind and Orgrimmar would also both have Horde/Alliance ambassadors, respectively.
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:01 PM
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-More Widlhammers and Dark Irons in Ironforge.
I'd really like to see a Dark Iron refugee community in Ironforge. There might be friction between those who fled during or before the Dark Iron Emperor's regime, and those who came on Moira's invitation.

Also, even though it's really minor, I wish that Revantusk Village would get BC forest troll architecture.
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:05 PM
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Getting away from the comic-book derailment...
Hey, I was on topic until HED started griping about genre. In my opinion, WoW is at its best when its not trying to string out an epic story led by caricatured superheroes, but rather offering smaller, more personal narratives about ground-level characters.
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Old 12-03-2013, 03:07 PM
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I'd really like to see a Dark Iron refugee community in Ironforge. There might be friction between those who fled during or before the Dark Iron Emperor's regime, and those who came on Moira's invitation.
I think the only Dark Irons in the entire city are the ambassador and his two guards that dwarf players arrest around level 10. They could mostly be in the Forlorn Cavern, but maybe a few of the city's guards would be Dark Iron too.

And Falstad's the only Wildhammer there at all as far as I know.

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It's one thing to have problems and voice your concerns, but when you endlessly bitch day in and day out about the same tired old shit, it honestly makes me wonder why you are even here. Generally when somebody doesn't like something, they stop caring about it.

And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

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Old 12-03-2013, 06:37 PM
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If its a genre, its only because decades of misuse of the term led to a new definition.

"Graphic novel" is a PR term invented by those too stuck up to admit that they like to read book-length comics.
"Comic book" has become code for a genre due to the predominance of "superhero comics." Misuse? Perhaps, but it's common usage.

I may come up with a list of my own for this thread.
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Old 12-03-2013, 06:39 PM
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NPCs scattered around Dungeons/Raids and the areas near them that explain part of the life/lore around them and what happens after the bosses have been killed.

Qiraji in AQ despondent and shocked at C'thun's defeat or defiant and indignant.
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:02 PM
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Fix the goddamn Mistweavers, maybe giving them a stance properly designed to FISTWEAVE (those familliar with the class mechanics will understand) and leaving the Wise Serpent one for MISTWEAVING.

I'd say this stance would have less healing spells (like Enveloping Mist and stuff), but would retain Renewing Mist (not Uplift, just ReM). Plus, I'd love a lower-cost chi generation spell - like jab, but lower.


Then, I'd hire this guy: http://wewant4specsnow.wordpress.com/

Ofc, I'm just dreaming I'd be in a top-rank in the company and could hire people.

With him in the team, 4th specs would be implemented, based on his amazing (imho) ideas.


Then, SUB-RACES. Because fuck it, I wanna be a Mag'har. lol
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:22 PM
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Seriouspost I'd move the Forsaken to a place where they won't fuck up the narrative.
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Pretty vague.

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Old 12-03-2013, 08:35 PM
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That flagrantly defies the initial rules that the OP lays out.
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:36 PM
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I'd also delete all of Genesis' characters and give his credit card information to Mexican drug cartels.
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:51 PM
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Whatever my director/higher up tells me to do.

"Oh, you want more mailboxes in Stormwind's Trade district! One in front of every doorway? Right away, boss!"
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And all it takes is a tactically calculated "for the Horde" rallying the troops to make them all think "OMG she really does care!"
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:57 PM
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I'd pretty much dedicate my time to retconning away random shit, a little bit each month. Leyara died? Nope, she's kicking ass with the Alliance. Crowley gave everything away? Nope, he's actually fighting Forsaken on the coast or something. Everyone in Hillsbrad died? Nah, they're alive in Stormwind. The NPCs in Forsaken questing actually are just random monsters whasshisface made. Also random named Scarlet Crusaders in SW and other places.

Also, tauren get to have balls and actually act as the conscience of the Horde, even if they're ineffectual. "Actually, no, let's not randomly poison the wildlife, mm'kay?" and so on and so forth.
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Old 12-03-2013, 11:01 PM
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This is probably going way beyond the capabilities of the team theorized in the OP, but I'd put more examples of Azerothian artwork in the various cities and towns. The idea would be to give each faction at least one consistent style (maybe the bigger factions could get more than one).
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Arathi Highlands

*add new architecture for Stromgarde Faction
*improve the Alliance base with actual buildings and walls
*turn the Smuggler's base into an Alliance hub and rework alliance questing alongside a north-south-axis (good compared to the east-west-Horde questing)
*add mini elemental invasion just to the zone which can be altered manually by empowering the different circles with materials
*at the end of the questlines let the Alliance recapture Stromgarde as a bulwark in Lordaeron (which could both give the playerbase and our dear Alliance players something to cheer about)

Silithus

*add two new flightpaths to the zone, one at the beginning and one at the gates of AQ
*streamline the quests alongside the new fp layout
*add a massive attack on Cenarion Hold by Twilight Hammer and Silithids and exchange the World PVP with continued battles of capturing and recapturing of control points against Silithids and Twilight Hammer

Cataclysm zones

*retool the zones to 60-70 as a different means for leveling compared to Outland
*the progression would be Silithus-Uldum-MH and Blasted Lands-Twilight Highlands-Deepholme
*Vashjir would be a single zone dedicated to 80 to 85 to underwater lovers with instances added

Outland

*Outland questing would start with 60 and end at 80 with the progression being Hellfire(60-65)-Zangarmarsh/Terokkar(65-70)-Nagrand/BEM(70-75)-Netherstorm/Shadowmoon(75-80)
*professions would be updated to reflect that change so you could for example use outland ore to expand your smithing until 450 without problems
*to amplify questing, mutiple hubs would receive flightpoints

Northrend

*Questing would altered to function from 65 to 85 and professions would be altered as well to achieve that
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Still a lot of suggestions that go against the scenario presented.

Sorry, people, you can only do minor alterations. You can't redo whole zones because the work needed would be far too much for the small team.
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