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Old 03-04-2016, 03:37 AM
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Chronicles is already out? Haven't read any of the ''spoilery'' bits.

How is it compared to the UVG and how much of it is just transcripts from WoWpedia?
Is out for reviewers. It's a real lore book.
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Old 03-04-2016, 03:41 AM
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Chronicles is already out? Haven't read any of the ''spoilery'' bits.

How is it compared to the UVG and how much of it is just transcripts from WoWpedia?
It's a really professional production with a ton of history explanation and new lore.

I'm not particularly fond of its developments, though a lot of people here are still super-stoked (with the conditional exception of one thing in the metaphysics), so Your Mileage May Vary.
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Old 03-04-2016, 03:48 AM
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That sounds hopeful. I think I'll buy it afterall.
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Old 03-04-2016, 03:54 AM
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That sounds hopeful. I think I'll buy it afterall.
It is like this. It is a well thought (it is apparent some effort went into it) and quite well written work that finally provides a cohesive look on Warcraft. However, it is also sort of a reinvention of the franchise. So, if you will be able to take it open minded and without clinging to the older interpretations, you will enjoy it, perhaps even love it. If not, it will make you either sad or angry.
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Old 03-04-2016, 03:57 AM
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I don't mind the franchise being reinvented, what I worry about is whether they can hold strong to this reinvention and not run into anymore writing blunders.
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Old 03-04-2016, 05:10 AM
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I don't mind the franchise being reinvented, what I worry about is whether they can hold strong to this reinvention and not run into anymore writing blunders.
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Old 03-05-2016, 03:45 AM
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If I recall correctly, Chronicle Vol. 1 states that night elves were tied to the Emerald Dream by Ysera, allowing them to enter it more easily, right? Could this blessing also be the reason why night elves turn into nature/forest spirits upon dying?

Tied tightly enough to gain a form of immortality but not strong enough to reform, like the Wild Gods?

(Also, Blizzard needs to decide whether it wants night elves to be members of the nature-wilds-fey alliance and druidism to be night elf centric, or not. It makes no sense for night elves to be so tied to nature but not reap any benefits, like actually being the allies of other nature-folk.)
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Old 03-05-2016, 01:33 PM
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So, the Un'Goro pylons. Lorewise they're more like the size of the ones in Sholazar, yeah?

The VoEB is also really different from the other two living labs. It still has some Well water in it and has no pylons or crystals. Wonder why.
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Old 03-05-2016, 01:37 PM
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So, the Un'Goro pylons. Lorewise they're more like the size of the ones in Sholazar, yeah?
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Sholazar's four giant pillars compared to Un'Goro's four dinky pylons always felt like a silly thing. They're meant to be the same thing aren't they?
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:52 PM
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While I think this is totally reasonable, let's see how many people freak out.
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Old 03-06-2016, 12:58 PM
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While I think this is totally reasonable, let's see how many people freak out.
Can't say I'm surprised. Warcraft 1 was a long time ago. With them making the Durotan novel prequel and the comic they are really expanding the movie version of Warcraft.

I recall at some point that was mentioned if they ever did a WoW 2 it would be an alternate universe. They could use the movie universe. But I don't think that would be for many years.
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:00 PM
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While I think this is totally reasonable, let's see how many people freak out.
Really the people who freak out about that tend to be those who think this means the movie supplants the original lore in-game because they either aren't paying attention or don't read comics, and therefore don't realize what his use of "Ultimate" in this context actually means.
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:26 PM
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Night Elf Icon (War3) Let's try this again.

Was the reason why night elves turn into wisps upon death ever explained? I can't remember.

If it was, could someone refresh my memory?

If it wasn't, why do you think that is? It clearly has something to do with their connection to nature, but if you had to pinpoint it, what would the reason be, according to you?

Given that Ysera's blessing of Nordrassil connected night elves to the Emerald Dream, allowing night elven druids to enter it more easily, and that the Wild Gods, who're tied to it even more closely, can reform in the Emerald Dream, I'm currently leaning towards night elves being immortal in a similar manner; instead of being able to reform they go to the ED upon death and can return as nature spirits.
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:28 PM
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Was the reason why night elves turn into wisps upon death ever explained? I can't remember.

If it was, could someone refresh my memory?

If it wasn't, why do you think that is? It clearly has something to do with their connection to nature, but if you had to pinpoint it, what would the reason be, according to you?

Given that Ysera's blessing of Nordrassil connected night elves to the Emerald Dream, allowing night elven druids to enter it more easily, and that the Wild Gods, who're tied to it even more closely, can reform in the Emerald Dream, I'm currently leaning towards night elves being immortal in a similar manner; instead of being able to reform they go to the ED upon death and can return as nature spirits.
I don't recall an explanation but the Nordrassil blessing would make sense. I mean, think of all the times we've see Night Elf ghosts instead of Night Elf Wisps. The only examples I can think of are people who died pre-Nordrassil.
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:28 PM
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Wouldn't that effect have ended upon the end of the battle of mount hyjal though?
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:32 PM
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Was the reason why night elves turn into wisps upon death ever explained? I can't remember.

If it was, could someone refresh my memory?

If it wasn't, why do you think that is? It clearly has something to do with their connection to nature, but if you had to pinpoint it, what would the reason be, according to you?

Given that Ysera's blessing of Nordrassil connected night elves to the Emerald Dream, allowing night elven druids to enter it more easily, and that the Wild Gods, who're tied to it even more closely, can reform in the Emerald Dream, I'm currently leaning towards night elves being immortal in a similar manner; instead of being able to reform they go to the ED upon death and can return as nature spirits.
That would make sense. Then all the Banshees like in Winterspring or pre-cata Darkshore and in Broken Isles can be explained as happening before they were linked.
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:32 PM
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Wouldn't that effect have ended upon the end of the battle of mount hyjal though?
Lucan Foxblood was tied to the ED by having grown up in it, so maybe being tied to it far longer than a human lifetime made the connection between the elves and the ED a permanent thing?

Didn't she also bless Teldrassil, which might have renewed it for younger generations?

Finally, isn't Nordrassil healed? From... Cataclysm and that one wedding?
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:35 PM
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Ysera only blessed Teldrassil in Stormrage, the point of it before then was Fandral went ahead without asking and so the Aspects refused to bless it.
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:38 PM
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Ysera only blessed Teldrassil in Stormrage, the point of it before then was Fandral went ahead without asking and so the Aspects refused to bless it.
Yeah, I know.
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:39 PM
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I don't recall an explanation but the Nordrassil blessing would make sense. I mean, think of all the times we've see Night Elf ghosts instead of Night Elf Wisps. The only examples I can think of are people who died pre-Nordrassil.
The way I see it, wisps are night elves who have passed on properly, and were transformed. Night elf ghosts and banshees did not, and so they retain a semblance of their identity.
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Old 03-08-2016, 09:10 AM
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Rebuilding the Final Titan:

Is this about healing Azeroth and bringing the birth to fruition? Could it have something to do with rebuilding Aman'Thul? If even a fragment of his soul is still around, maybe we do something with that.
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Old 03-08-2016, 09:33 AM
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Rebuilding the Final Titan:

Is this about healing Azeroth and bringing the birth to fruition? Could it have something to do with rebuilding Aman'Thul? If even a fragment of his soul is still around, maybe we do something with that.
Yeah that "rebuild the final titan" is WAY more clear now we know we have a titan soul in Azeroth.

I wonder if in the end Azeroth will be a titan birthed from this soul or this soul will be the way to recreate the Pantheon.
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I wonder if Tirisfal was dark and spooky because of Zakajz, not the Scourge.
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Old 03-09-2016, 05:40 PM
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I wonder if Tirisfal was dark and spooky because of Zakajz, not the Scourge.
If that's true, then maybe the Forsaken are the way they are for the same reason.
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