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Old 03-26-2019, 03:39 PM
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You're right, a lot of people fucked up by over-focusing on the Russian collusion because they were sure it was a sure thing, and not on the damage he's doing to the environment or how he dogwhistles to NeoNazis and the like.

He might get a second term out of it, and it's really sad, but hopefully it'll force the Dems to get their shit together.
Yup.

I mean, I dont think he dogwhistles to neonazis. I think thats similar to the whole "Welcome to Maga country" from Smollet.

The left thinks it means something the Right doesnt.

But absolutely, the dems need to get their shit in order. Just handing him the 2020 election.

On to more important things.

Im pretty anti-China, and I think the US and the rest of the free world thats left (sorry, EU. That counts you out.... Article 13 lololol) need to sanction the shit and if needed, declare outright war...

And a perfect example presents itself, as a glimps of the future.

A Call of Cthulu source book recently had an entire run destroyed by the China Government. Something meant for foreign markets. Its a first, and a pretty terrifying one for the rest of the world.
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Yup.

I mean, I dont think he dogwhistles to neonazis. I think thats similar to the whole "Welcome to Maga country" from Smollet.

The left thinks it means something the Right doesnt.
He sure seems to draw a lot of support from white supremacists who consider him their guy.


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Im pretty anti-China, and I think the US and the rest of the free world thats left (sorry, EU. That counts you out.... Article 13 lololol) need to sanction the shit and if needed, declare outright war...

And a perfect example presents itself, as a glimps of the future.

A Call of Cthulu source book recently had an entire run destroyed by the China Government. Something meant for foreign markets. Its a first, and a pretty terrifying one for the rest of the world.
I was reading into Article 13 and apparently it still has to go through one more process before it actually passes, so there's still hope they don't go full retard.

I don't think an unprovoked war with China would be a good idea. Sanctions, yes. Defense of allies in SEA, yes.
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Old 03-26-2019, 04:52 PM
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He sure seems to draw a lot of support from white supremacists who consider him their guy
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They also drink water, and so does he!

He's a strong nationalist, who wants strong immigration laws.

These positions dont make him bad, but bad people will see a way to capitalize on it, or see something they like.
This happens with any ideology.

Communism has killed far more than white nationalism, and dirty commies are alive and well in the US. It doesnt mean Bernie Sanders is a socialist who is pro USSR.

Even if he is a dirty commie.
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Always try to.

As for unprovoked, obviously, not the first option. Hence sanctions and shit.
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Old 03-26-2019, 05:13 PM
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Ruin, the drinking water comparison is disingenuous

I mean, the Republicans have either been flubbing comparisons or dogwhistling pretty hard for awhile now

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Ruin, the drinking water comparison is disingenuous

I mean, the Republicans have either been flubbing comparisons or dogwhistling pretty hard for awhile now

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Yes, he pointed out Democrats were perpetuating a Big Lie and then explained the origins.

The two year conspracy theory was just that. And to be clear, I'm aware the argument is that the modern media just did what Hitler accused the jewish people of. But it's a known propaganda term, and using it as such isn't the bombshell its being made out to be, because again, known term for an existing thing. No, I don't think this was the best way to go about it. His obvious attempt at trying to label Socialists and communists as the Nazi Party are, at best, Ludacris and and worst malicious, and then he framed his accusation in a way that flipped the script. Dude is an idiot.

And the argument that some white nationalists like trump is ALSO disingenuous, while we are on the subject. Its literally a "WELL THESE PEOPLE DO THIS, YOU DONT WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, DO YOU" tactic.
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Yes, he pointed out Democrats were perpetuating a Big Lie and then explained the origins.

The two year conspracy theory was just that.

And the argument that some white nationalists like trump is ALSO disingenuous, while we are on the subject. Its literally a "WELL THESE PEOPLE DO THIS, YOU DONT WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, DO YOU" tactic.
It's not "these people just so happen to also like this thing." It's these people giving their support because they see this as furthering their agenda of white supremacy.

It's unbelievable that you righties, even after seeing everything that has come out, still try to call it a "conspiracy theory." Your tribalism has blinded you.
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Old 03-26-2019, 08:14 PM
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It's not "these people just so happen to also like this thing." It's these people giving their support because they see this as furthering their agenda of white supremacy.

It's unbelievable that you righties, even after seeing everything that has come out, still try to call it a "conspiracy theory." Your tribalism has blinded you.
The investigation cleared him. But hey, have fun.
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Old 03-26-2019, 11:49 PM
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The investigation cleared him. But hey, have fun.
The investigation cleared them of direct collusion, but there are plenty of political behaviors that are legal but still unsettling regarding how Trump has handled Russia and dictators in general.
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:07 PM
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It's not "these people just so happen to also like this thing." It's these people giving their support because they see this as furthering their agenda of white supremacy.

It's unbelievable that you righties, even after seeing everything that has come out, still try to call it a "conspiracy theory." Your tribalism has blinded you.
WNs support close borders. Trump supported deportations and a wall. Ergo, WNs supported
Trump.

Nowadays the vast majority nolonger give a damn about Amnesty Don and he could go up against the wall for all I care. Like Bush before him he had a two year opportunity where they had the Senate, the House, and the Presidency and what did ya get? Paul Ryan tax cuts, China, foreign policy, SC nominees, and less regulations. Two years no wall and he's just endlessly shilling for Israel all the while talking about how he wants the largest amounts of immigrants ever (but they have to come legally).


There is no political solution, nobody will be convinced (why I don't post much on any forums anymore). The future is to watch the slow decline and play out our political theories in real life. Only then we will be able to see who is truly right.
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The second point, this idea that, “Oh, we haven’t heard from Robert Mueller yet, we’ve only heard Bill Barr’s summary of him,” yes, that’s true. But Bill Barr has been friends with Robert Mueller for 30 years. They come from the same Republican circles in the Department of Justice. They both worked together at the Bush Justice Department, the Bush 41 Justice Department. All we heard for 20 months is that Robert Mueller is a man of the greatest integrity and patriotism. The idea, the very idea—just think about this—that he would allow Bill Barr to run around making false and misleading distortions about what the Mueller team found, and not one person on the Mueller team, including Bob Mueller himself, would stand up and say, “Wait a minute, he is distorting what our findings was,” that is laughable. That’s exactly the kind of conspiracy theories that led to this entire mess in the first place, and we should no longer tolerate this. Rachel Maddow and MSNBC are the Judy Millers of this story, except, unlike Judy Miller, who was scapegoated for doing things that her male colleague did and had her career destroyed, Rachel Maddow will continue to make $10 million a year for NBC because she’s their most valuable brand, and there will be no reckoning and consequences for this story that the media got radically, fundamentally and deliberately wrong for almost three years now in a very dangerous way.
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Old 03-27-2019, 08:41 PM
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Realclear is a right-wing rag.
If there's nothing to worry about in the report, then we should be allowed to see the entire thing. Instead, Barr won't even let Congress see it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...94f_story.html

The only reason you could possibly support the White House being allowed to redact any information it wants from the report before anyone else sees it is because you hate America and everything it stands for.

I also wonder what Mueller is up to here.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1R82EV
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:55 PM
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I agree! We should totally be able to see the names of the Grand Jury.

lololololo
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"My colleagues might think it’s OK that the Russians offered dirt on the Democratic candidate for president as part of what’s described as the Russian government’s effort to help the Trump campaign. My colleagues might think it’s OK that when that was offered to the son of the president, who had a pivotal role in the campaign, that the son did not call the FBI, he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help — no, instead that son said he would ‘love’ the help with the Russians. You might think it was ok that he took that meeting. You might think it’s ok that Paul Manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great experience running campaigns, also took that meeting. You might think it’s ok that the president’s son-in-law also took that meeting. You might think it’s ok that they concealed it from the public. You might think it’s ok that their only disappointment after that meeting was that the dirt they received on Hillary Clinton wasn’t better. You might think it’s OK. I don’t.

You might think it’s OK that the president’s son-in-law sought to establish a secret back channel of communication with Russians through a Russian diplomatic facility. I don’t think that’s OK. You might think it’s OK that an associate of the president made direct contact with the GRU through Guccifer 2.0 and WikiLeaks. You might think it’s OK that a senior campaign official was instructed to reach that associate and find out what that hostile intelligence agency had to say, in terms of dirt on his opponent. You might think it’s OK that the national security adviser-designate secretly conferred with a Russian ambassador about undermining U.S. sanctions, and you might think it’s OK he lied about it to the FBI. You might say that’s all OK, that that’s just what you need to do to win. But I don’t think it’s OK. I think it’s immoral, I think it’s unethical, I think it’s unpatriotic and, yes, I think it’s corrupt, and evidence of collusion."

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I agree! We should totally be able to see the names of the Grand Jury.

lololololo
I'm just wondering what these court cases he's putting together are.


Rand Paul has blocked the most recent attempt to make the report public, this time somehow trying to blame Trump campaign collusion on Obama. Seriously.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...report-release

[edit] It seems the FBI has released a bunch of Trump Organization files.

People are finding interesting things in them.
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/...heoregonian_sf
It does seem odd that this criminal organization was never prosecuted for this stuff.
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Old 03-28-2019, 03:48 PM
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"My colleagues might think it’s OK that the Russians offered dirt on the Democratic candidate for president as part of what’s described as the Russian government’s effort to help the Trump campaign. My colleagues might think it’s OK that when that was offered to the son of the president, who had a pivotal role in the campaign, that the son did not call the FBI, he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help — no, instead that son said he would ‘love’ the help with the Russians. You might think it was ok that he took that meeting. You might think it’s ok that Paul Manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great experience running campaigns, also took that meeting. You might think it’s ok that the president’s son-in-law also took that meeting. You might think it’s ok that they concealed it from the public. You might think it’s ok that their only disappointment after that meeting was that the dirt they received on Hillary Clinton wasn’t better. You might think it’s OK. I don’t.

You might think it’s OK that the president’s son-in-law sought to establish a secret back channel of communication with Russians through a Russian diplomatic facility. I don’t think that’s OK. You might think it’s OK that an associate of the president made direct contact with the GRU through Guccifer 2.0 and WikiLeaks. You might think it’s OK that a senior campaign official was instructed to reach that associate and find out what that hostile intelligence agency had to say, in terms of dirt on his opponent. You might think it’s OK that the national security adviser-designate secretly conferred with a Russian ambassador about undermining U.S. sanctions, and you might think it’s OK he lied about it to the FBI. You might say that’s all OK, that that’s just what you need to do to win. But I don’t think it’s OK. I think it’s immoral, I think it’s unethical, I think it’s unpatriotic and, yes, I think it’s corrupt, and evidence of collusion."



I'm just wondering what these court cases he's putting together are.


Rand Paul has blocked the most recent attempt to make the report public, this time somehow trying to blame Trump campaign collusion on Obama. Seriously.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...report-release

[edit] It seems the FBI has released a bunch of Trump Organization files.
https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/...17491540082689

People are finding interesting things in them.
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/...heoregonian_sf
It does seem odd that this criminal organization was never prosecuted for this stuff.
It's almost like the FBI is corrupt and beholden to politics.
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:13 PM
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It's almost like the FBI is corrupt and beholden to politics.
The FBI just cleared Trump though, according to you. Hint: we won't know exactly what their findings concluded without the full report, so any claims of exoneration or condemnation are premature. Your arguments are as bad as they are disingenuous.
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The FBI just cleared Trump though, according to you. Hint: we won't know exactly what their findings concluded without the full report, so any claims of exoneration or condemnation are premature. Your arguments are as bad as they are disingenuous.
I mean, the FBI didn't clear trump. A special council, a third party by it's very nature, cleared Trump.

Nice try though.
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It seems to me President Trump has attempted to obstruct this investigation. He has surrounded himself with convicted felons, his Presidency and his enterprises are under multiple investigations.

-National Security Advisor Michael Flynn - pleaded guilty.

-President Trump's Personal Attorney Michael Cohen - pleaded guilty.

-Foreign Policy Advisor George Papadopoulos - pleaded guilty.

-Deputy Campaign Chairman Richard Gates - pleaded guilty.

-Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort - convicted on 8 Federal counts.

The Trump Foundation is under investigation. The Trump Organization is under investigation and may face criminal charges. The Trump Organization's CFO Allen Weisselberg was granted immunity in the Cohen case. A good friend of President Trump, David Pecker, has been granted immunity by Federal Prosecutors.
https://www.apnews.com/143be3c52d4746af8546ca6772754407

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It seems to me President Trump has attempting to obstruct this investigation. He has surrounded himself with convicted felons, his Presidency and his enterprises are under multiple investigations.

-National Security Advisor Michael Flynn - pleaded guilty.

-President Trump's Personal Attorney Michael Cohen - pleaded guilty.

-Foreign Policy Advisor George Papadopoulos - pleaded guilty.

-Deputy Campaign Chairman Richard Gates - pleaded guilty.

-Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort - convicted on 8 Federal counts.

The Trump Foundation is under investigation. The Trump Organization is under investigation and may face criminal charges. The Trump Organization's CFO Allen Weisselberg was granted immunity in the Cohen case. A good friend of President Trump, David Pecker, was been granted immunity by Federal Prosecutors.
https://www.apnews.com/143be3c52d4746af8546ca6772754407
Yeah?

I mean, it seems to me Obama should obviously be in jail when he interfered in investigations into one of the worlds largest drug dealers, helping contribute to the drug problem in the United States, but he isn't.

Clearly an obstruction of Justice as well.

I guess when something seems a certain way, it doesn't mean it is.
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Yeah?

I mean, it seems to me Obama should obviously be in jail when he interfered in investigations into one of the worlds largest drug dealers, helping contribute to the drug problem in the United States, but he isn't.

Clearly an obstruction of Justice as well.

I guess when something seems a certain way, it doesn't mean it is.
So predictable. Nice, whataboutism. How about you acknowledge the naked criminality of this administration instead of "B..but Obama!". I listed facts about the current administration (because that was the topic of conversation to this point), you try and distract with some vague point about Obama. Another flaccid "both sides" argument and no substance.

So back on topic: Fact of the matter is a good chunk of Trump's inner circle are now convicted felons. Obama, not so much.
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Why did Obama do that?
To prevent the négociateur on the Iran nuclear deal from collapsing.

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To prevent the négociateur on the Iran nuclear deal from collapsing.

https://www.politico.com/interactive...investigation/
I don't really think that's comparable to Trump's business connections and the shit that his advisers have done at all then.
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Top FBI brass wanted to remove Trump from office through the 25th amendment because of their own fake Russia story. How are they anything but corrupt?

Stop looking at Reddit, Chapo, and Vox and get some perspective. The Russia story was fake news, stop harping on it like a bunch of brain dead drones.
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