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Old 12-02-2017, 03:13 PM
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:26 PM
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I will say this much in Thrall's defense. He would make a better Warchief of the Horde than Sylvanas.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:26 PM
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I'm not interested in him and haven't been since, at least, Cata, but no, I don't hate him.

In fact, I'd like him to go back to being the Horde's Warchief or the orcish racial leader. That way he'll be abit more palatable. (Same with Malfurion. He really should focus more on being a co-leader of the night elves.)

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Old 12-02-2017, 03:38 PM
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I'm not interested in him and haven't been since, at least, Cata, but no, I don't hate him.

In fact, I'd like him to go back to being the Horde's Warchief or the orcish racial leader. That way he'll be abit more palatable. (Same with Malfurion. He really should focus more on being a co-leader of the night elves.)
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The question is whether he's a bad character or not.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:39 PM
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I liked old Thrall.

I hate modern (starting with Cata) Thrall.
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Old 12-02-2017, 04:38 PM
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He was less interesting than Blizzard tried to make him, and with the pass of time it has become worse. But it has not arrived to the point he is a bad character. Not a good one either. There are better orcs.

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Old 12-02-2017, 05:00 PM
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I hate how he is currently. But I do feel that with his supposed development in BfA he'll end up being somewhat like his old self.
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:11 PM
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I have to prove Anansi-Mustrum-Archimedes wrong.
I'll always like him as the original Thrall who perhaps had an idealized version of who the Orcs had been, but Grom already told him the truth of that in Warcraft 3. He was a good leader when he had older Orcs to teach him of their regrets and the mistakes they made.

At some point his characterization lost touch with that. It idealized him too much in a way that made him soft. Thrall liked peace, but he had never been all that hesitant to fight. he used to be able to keep a strong grip on the Horde.

And I suppose the largest problem was that they emphasized him more as a Shaman starting in Cataclysm. Not as a leader. They want to get people hyped for him again? Toss off the potato sack. The elements aren't listening to him right now. His spiritual journey to become Go'el didn't lead where he expected. He never had his naming ceremony in the first place.

In fact, the very name "Go'el" is ironic. He kept the name Thrall to remind him of his origins and prod him on in his duties. It's best he discards Go'el completely. Go'el is someone he'll never be, a vapid dream of a "true orc". Blackmoore is more his father than Drek'thar, as sad as that might sound and no matter how much he might wish otherwise. That is Thrall's true heritage. A slave raised by a drunkard to command armies.

But that? That was the true Thrall. Yes, he became more than that, but that's still his true past. Go'el doesn't exist. He's a fake. And when Aggra convinced him to embrace this, that's when Thrall truly became a fake Orc. Because even when he was an Orc raised by Humans, that was at least real. That was true.

And so, as Thrall he was a real person. A true Orc. Orcs of his generation had all been raised in internment camps anyways, with no solid connection to their original culture. As Thrall, he was one of them. Perhaps privileged above most, but still.

As Go'el? He becomes detached. Artificial. The sack cloth robe only distanced himself from his true identity as an Orc. He should burn that thing, and explain to his wife that he's realized it's just not him. That he's Thrall. Son of Blackmoore, whether he likes it or not.

And then go and use all that strategy his drunk stepdad taught him for the Horde. When he originally discarded the Doomplate, that was a disrespect to the Doomhammer who expected him to lead his people. He just needs to be that human-raised Orc that Orgrim had originally believed in. That was Warchief Thrall. As true an Orc as any, because he wasn't any Orc besides the one he truly was.

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Old 12-02-2017, 05:15 PM
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No - He was one of the best characters in Warcraft 3. He has had too much spotlight, and people perhaps just got sick of him when other characters could probably take certain seats in Cata than just him -shrug-
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:29 PM
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Speaking of Cata, I think the wedding was the moment when Thrall became thoroughly inexcusable.
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:37 PM
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I did in Cata, but I think his few appearances since then have been good.
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:43 PM
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I've hated him since WC3. I thought he was a morally myopic hypocrite. And a moral coward to boot.
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:45 PM
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I did in Cata, but I think his few appearances since then have been good.
So you hated him when he was at his most Mary-Sue?
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:53 PM
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So you hated him when he was at his most Mary-Sue?
Yeah. In MoP, WoD, and Legion, while he hasn't appeared much, I thought he's been fine. I was never the biggest fan of him anyway though.
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Old 12-03-2017, 02:37 AM
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I liked old Thrall.

I hate modern (starting with Cata) Thrall.
Every version of Thrall was a Sue.
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Old 12-03-2017, 08:35 AM
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They should have killed him in Cataclysm. His existence has no point whatsoever after Deathwing's death.
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I hate what he became.
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Old 12-03-2017, 10:46 AM
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I feel I should note at this point that although the poll currently indicates that nine people do not hate Thrall, the posts in this thread indicate that our attitude toward him ranges from 'this jackass sucks his own balls' to 'I'm meh about him', with others still saying 'I only liked certain versions of his character'.

Nobody unequivocally likes Thrall.
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I don't hate Thrall I'm just disappointed.
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I don't hate Thrall, but I preferred the WC3 version of him, where he would try the peaceful approach but has no qualms about kicking ass.
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I'll always like him as the original Thrall who perhaps had an idealized version of who the Orcs had been, but Grom already told him the truth of that in Warcraft 3. He was a good leader when he had older Orcs to teach him of their regrets and the mistakes they made.

At some point his characterization lost touch with that. It idealized him too much in a way that made him soft. Thrall liked peace, but he had never been all that hesitant to fight. he used to be able to keep a strong grip on the Horde.

And I suppose the largest problem was that they emphasized him more as a Shaman starting in Cataclysm. Not as a leader. They want to get people hyped for him again? Toss off the potato sack. The elements aren't listening to him right now. His spiritual journey to become Go'el didn't lead where he expected. He never had his naming ceremony in the first place.

In fact, the very name "Go'el" is ironic. He kept the name Thrall to remind him of his origins and prod him on in his duties. It's best he discards Go'el completely. Go'el is someone he'll never be, a vapid dream of a "true orc". Blackmoore is more his father than Drek'thar, as sad as that might sound and no matter how much he might wish otherwise. That is Thrall's true heritage. A slave raised by a drunkard to command armies.

But that? That was the true Thrall. Yes, he became more than that, but that's still his true past. Go'el doesn't exist. He's a fake. And when Aggra convinced him to embrace this, that's when Thrall truly became a fake Orc. Because even when he was an Orc raised by Humans, that was at least real. That was true.

And so, as Thrall he was a real person. A true Orc. Orcs of his generation had all been raised in internment camps anyways, with no solid connection to their original culture. As Thrall, he was one of them. Perhaps privileged above most, but still.

As Go'el? He becomes detached. Artificial. The sack cloth robe only distanced himself from his true identity as an Orc. He should burn that thing, and explain to his wife that he's realized it's just not him. That he's Thrall. Son of Blackmoore, whether he likes it or not.

And then go and use all that strategy his drunk stepdad taught him for the Horde. When he originally discarded the Doomplate, that was a disrespect to the Doomhammer who expected him to lead his people. He just needs to be that human-raised Orc that Orgrim had originally believed in. That was Warchief Thrall. As true an Orc as any, because he wasn't any Orc besides the one he truly was.
This is very true and well said.

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Old 12-03-2017, 01:33 PM
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Nope. I can't say I'm a big fan now, but overall I've liked his characters in the past. Can't say when I started losing interest in him exactly, I think it began in MoP, but I started being a bit reticent since he brought Garrosh to Orgrimmar. I never understood why the hell he let that douchebag have his way so much without putting him in his place, especially given how bad he was for diplomatic meetings and how he blatantly disrespected Thrall publicly. Then there's when he went to Nagrand to learn how to be a 'proper' shaman and got hitched to Aggra. Like, man, you're the first orc shaman in decades since your race's corruption, and one of the most powerful Drek'thar ever saw even when you were still an initiate, and yet you think to take lessons from people who failed to do anything about said corruption in the first place, and who failed to save their planet from getting ripped apart. I mean, communing with Draenor's spirits is one thing but why the whole makeover? And I don't see why he's a dick if he expects Aggra to be a bit less bitchy and respect his past and choices, especially when he accomplished more for his race than her or most anyone else in recent history.
So basically when he started actively idealizing 'pure'(Mag'har) orcs and their ideas is when his 'downfall' started, and him continuing down that path is what made him what he is now, I'd say. I mean, you could argue he's always idealized those before, but he seemed to have more of backbone when it came to his own ideas and values, both human and orcish in origin, and was mostly ignorant to the greater scope of orcish ideology. I don't know, maybe I'm remembering some things wrong but that's how I see it.

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I'll always like him as the original Thrall who perhaps had an idealized version of who the Orcs had been, but Grom already told him the truth of that in Warcraft 3. He was a good leader when he had older Orcs to teach him of their regrets and the mistakes they made.

At some point his characterization lost touch with that. It idealized him too much in a way that made him soft. Thrall liked peace, but he had never been all that hesitant to fight. he used to be able to keep a strong grip on the Horde.

And I suppose the largest problem was that they emphasized him more as a Shaman starting in Cataclysm. Not as a leader. They want to get people hyped for him again? Toss off the potato sack. The elements aren't listening to him right now. His spiritual journey to become Go'el didn't lead where he expected. He never had his naming ceremony in the first place.

In fact, the very name "Go'el" is ironic. He kept the name Thrall to remind him of his origins and prod him on in his duties. It's best he discards Go'el completely. Go'el is someone he'll never be, a vapid dream of a "true orc". Blackmoore is more his father than Drek'thar, as sad as that might sound and no matter how much he might wish otherwise. That is Thrall's true heritage. A slave raised by a drunkard to command armies.

But that? That was the true Thrall. Yes, he became more than that, but that's still his true past. Go'el doesn't exist. He's a fake. And when Aggra convinced him to embrace this, that's when Thrall truly became a fake Orc. Because even when he was an Orc raised by Humans, that was at least real. That was true.

And so, as Thrall he was a real person. A true Orc. Orcs of his generation had all been raised in internment camps anyways, with no solid connection to their original culture. As Thrall, he was one of them. Perhaps privileged above most, but still.

As Go'el? He becomes detached. Artificial. The sack cloth robe only distanced himself from his true identity as an Orc. He should burn that thing, and explain to his wife that he's realized it's just not him. That he's Thrall. Son of Blackmoore, whether he likes it or not.

And then go and use all that strategy his drunk stepdad taught him for the Horde. When he originally discarded the Doomplate, that was a disrespect to the Doomhammer who expected him to lead his people. He just needs to be that human-raised Orc that Orgrim had originally believed in. That was Warchief Thrall. As true an Orc as any, because he wasn't any Orc besides the one he truly was.
I like the way you put it. Human raised Thrall who embraced his human upbringing was the real deal. It's weird, actually, especially when you consider he acted more like an actual orc and was more in touch with his people before he felt had to drop that in order to be a proper orc shaman.
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