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Old 11-19-2018, 05:52 PM
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How difficult is it really to contextualize the various mutations and other side-effects due to fel corruption, blood-curse, exposure, addiction, overdose, withdrawal, etc within a unified framework?

There are obvious parallels between elves suffering magic addiction and demons feeding on magic/life, so why hasn't there been a connection drawn in canon? All elves are clearly in some transitional state between mortal and demon due to their exposure to the Well of Eternity, since they are the only races that experience magic addiction in the first place. The orcs experienced the same thing after drinking demon blood, which was supposedly a prerequisite to them eventually becoming demons (according to some sources fel orcs are demons, which raises more questions since the criteria for being a demon includes immortality and feeding on magic/life).
The lore is flimsy in general due to there being too many cooks in the kitchen. Lore is being created on a per-plot basis. Chronicles is the best source for a unified storyline, but even it gets undermined by WoW eventually. I mean look at how WoD and Afrasiabi's 'Demons return to the Nether and can only permanently be killed there' affects all the lore.

Illidan is a half demon. Or is he a full demon? What makes a demon? Was Grom a demon for drinking the blood and going all fel? Is Gul'dan a demon? Is Metamorphosis considered being a demon, and if you died in that form can you be reborn? There's no clear line between corruption and ascension. It all works on a per-plot basis, because everything explained is just a macguffin for the story they want to tell.

Illidan needs to grow in power to show he is a badass - Fel energy empowers him. Draenei need to be shown as pitiable beings who need help - Fel energy corrupts them. If there's anything unifying it all, it's the needs of the story.

But if there's one headcanon explanation you want to unify the loose lore, I guess you can view any Fel-corrupted being as a drug user who has been exposed to drugs and going through withdrawals ('withered'), while those empowered continue to have access to Fel and feed its power through bloodshed or acts of chaos and destruction. Fanning the flames, so to speak.

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Old 11-19-2018, 08:54 PM
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All elves are clearly in some transitional state between mortal and demon due to their exposure to the Well of Eternity, since they are the only races that experience magic addiction in the first place.
I'd say elves changed from troll to kaldorei because they're becoming more titan-like. The Well of Eternity is the blood of Azeroth, the blood of a titan; it's basically Azerite. It transformed the trolls into a form more similar to a titan's. Humans (well, vrykul) were made in the image of the Titans, so elves came to resemble humans.

The WoE in Kalimdor was tempered and hidden by Nordrassil, but the Highborne exiles continued to live near a font of titan blood - the Sunwell, thus becoming even more like titans, and thus, humans.
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Old 11-19-2018, 10:51 PM
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The Troll/Elf lineage could very well be just innately mutable.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:52 AM
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I wonder how Blizzard will revamp all the map. Hey there Vandermar Village, Nendis night elfen harbor, hey all that missing zones ingame no one gives a damn they are nowhere ingame in wow. How will Blizzard do, just scrap them into oblivion and retcon some more lore again.
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:04 AM
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I wonder how Blizzard will revamp all the map. Hey there Vandermar Village, Nendis night elfen harbor, hey all that missing zones ingame no one gives a damn they are nowhere ingame in wow. How will Blizzard do, just scrap them into oblivion and retcon some more lore again.
Or, maybe, we will learn where they are or used to be.

However, I fear your version gonna happen.
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:44 AM
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It will most likely be changed to be Brill.

In the WCIII Manual, Brill was at the exact location where Vandermar Village was on the Map of "Trudging through the Ashes".
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:23 AM
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In that case why wouldn't they just remake those places plainly as Warcraft 3 had em? They don't have to explain those villages or minor places or change em at all. They're not major locations that had a visual change in WoW or anything.
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Old 12-21-2018, 04:06 PM
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You think they are going to give proper buildings for the Forsaken and the Blood Elves in their campaigns come TFT?
I hope so!! I really want to see the new blood elf models !! I hope we see Lorthemar in the campaign! I also want hero Lorthemar!
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Old 12-26-2018, 09:41 PM
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You think they are going to give proper buildings for the Forsaken and the Blood Elves in their campaigns come TFT?
Blood Elves & High Elves probably will. Forsaken? Maybe. I imagine they could maybe make equivalent units to some of the existing Scourge ones. (Like... I dunno, Undead Dragonhawk riders in place of Frost Wyrms?)

I dunno how willing they are to fiddle with non-aesthetic things, though. Adding pseudo-hero units is one thing, changing the gameplay mechanics is another.

Are they going to add the Dar'khan Drathir thing? I really don't like that story line so I hope not. (I mean I already don't like the Invasion of Silvermoon, but I think Dar'khan Drathir makes it worse.)

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I hope so!! I really want to see the new blood elf models !! I hope we see Lorthemar in the campaign! I also want hero Lorthemar!
Most likely they'll sub out the Archmage for Anasterian Sunstrider. Just for cohesion.

Lor'themor could be a Shandris-style unit for the High Elves during the campaign, or maybe as part of the Blood Elf campaign.
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:49 AM
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They expanded Stratholme to match WoW. Imagine them doing that for Silvermoon AND Quel'Danas.
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Old 12-28-2018, 06:07 PM
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They expanded Stratholme to match WoW. Imagine them doing that for Silvermoon AND Quel'Danas.
I dunno if they can do Quel'danas without messing with the map design of the level. (Even on the over world map in Reign of Chaos: Quel'danas exists) But they'll probably make Silvermoon resemble the WoW map more closely.

Probably add an Eversong Tileset, though. I think they'll add a lot of tilesets really.

I imagine they'll mainly change up the big, identifiable locations made to look more like their WoW counterparts.

Hearthglen, the Black Temple... probably Icecrown and Azjol'Nerub overall.

The weird thing is Andorhal is one of the few places in WoW that just flat out matches it's WC3 counterpart. The layout is almost identical. Same with Hyjal.

Then with stuff like the Broken Isles it doesn't really make sense to change it because the WoW layout is mostly a game constraint (making a series of islands where the questing experience took place would have been really awkward).

There's certain things I really don't want them to do. Like for example the first Night Elf mission in Terror of the Tides. If they use the Azshara colour palette that mission is just going to entirely lose the ambience it had.
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Old 12-29-2018, 07:50 AM
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Is Reforged going to include Frozen Throne anyways? I mean, I did saw a picture featuring a Blood Elf Spell Breaker.
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Old 12-29-2018, 08:50 AM
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Is Reforged going to include Frozen Throne anyways? I mean, I did saw a picture featuring a Blood Elf Spell Breaker.
Yes, They are also gonna beta test the campaign for missions where they change the stuff so dalaran ruins mission for Illidan stuff etc.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:45 AM
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They expanded Stratholme to match WoW. Imagine them doing that for Silvermoon AND Quel'Danas.
I wonder how Theramore is going to turn out. There is no way to do a WoW Theramore and keep the gameplay of the TFT mission.
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Old 01-16-2019, 07:45 AM
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Old 01-17-2019, 02:15 AM
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Ah, the time when the blood elves were where they belong.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:14 PM
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Jokes aside, are they going to finally include a High Elven version of the Spell Breaker?
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:32 PM
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Hard to say if that's really a Spellbreaker unit in that picture or not. Remember, WC3 just used some slightly altered Captain models for high elf infantry, but as of WoW Thalassian guardsmen use an aesthetic more akin to that of the Spellbreakers.

So it's possible that in keeping with their seeming intent to update things to more closely sync with modern WarCraft, they may use that sort of look for regular high elf soldier units in the Silvermoon missions of the Scourge campaign.

On that note, I have to wonder if we'll see felguard as a demon unit in the Reforged RoC campaigns. They only actually first appeared in WC3 as leftovers of the Legion's invasion in Dalaran and Lordaeron during TFT, but seeing as how they've since become the standard rank-and-file of any Legion invasion (including the WotA), it would make sense if they were in Archimonde's army in the revamp. Especially since their appearance in TFT established that they were indeed part of the Third War, even if we didn't actually see them during the play-through.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:39 PM
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I suppose that is debatable, but certainly not the Horde.
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:27 PM
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Hard to say if that's really a Spellbreaker unit in that picture or not. Remember, WC3 just used some slightly altered Captain models for high elf infantry, but as of WoW Thalassian guardsmen use an aesthetic more akin to that of the Spellbreakers.

So it's possible that in keeping with their seeming intent to update things to more closely sync with modern WarCraft, they may use that sort of look for regular high elf soldier units in the Silvermoon missions of the Scourge campaign.

On that note, I have to wonder if we'll see felguard as a demon unit in the Reforged RoC campaigns. They only actually first appeared in WC3 as leftovers of the Legion's invasion in Dalaran and Lordaeron during TFT, but seeing as how they've since become the standard rank-and-file of any Legion invasion (including the WotA), it would make sense if they were in Archimonde's army in the revamp. Especially since their appearance in TFT established that they were indeed part of the Third War, even if we didn't actually see them during the play-through.
I hope to see new models for the archers and soldiers of the blood elves in the campaign! It would be great to see Rommath in the campaign!
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:31 PM
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I hope to see new models for the archers and soldiers of the blood elves in the campaign! It would be great to see Rommath in the campaign!
Rommath, Halduron and Lor'themor and so forth would be reasonably easy to implement. They did all the Culling of Stratholme bosses apparently, so I'd expect to see mini-bosses like this.
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