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Old 11-16-2009, 04:43 AM
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Default Sunken City of Vashj'ir: final location and validity of it

Vashj'ir's location is a tricky one, just because, well, it's on "a new continent".

My doubt with it is that, is the showed location (direct south of the Maelstrom) the final one?

Whatever is decided, I don't think it's right to place it there. Why?

1-Zandalar is there.
2-We don't have direct access from the main continents, and once Maelstrom is released, it would be all a mess.

Where would I place it then?

North. Northwest of the Maelstrom. Why?

1-There's nothing north of the Maelstrom (Lost isles are south of Azshara).
2-Makes sense with Illidan's calling to the naga.
3-Can be included inside Kalimdor's domain.

Also, and this just for fun, it gets a place nearer to Northrend, which would have helped with the TFT offensive, and perhaps we can get to know more of Riplash naga and the Kvaldir thanks to the proximity.

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Old 11-16-2009, 07:53 AM
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A rough and horrible map to display where I think the locations are
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:03 PM
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Maybe something sinks and makes room for it?
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:07 PM
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It's the bottom of the sea.

It's a big sea.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:26 PM
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So Vashj'ir is going to be on "a new continent"?
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:56 PM
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It's under fucking water. And according to the maps I saw at Blizzcon, it's just south of the maelstrom.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:43 PM
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If it is directly south, then there is room for it.
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:37 AM
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I agree with Lon. Something like this would be best:

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Old 11-17-2009, 08:34 AM
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Yeah, that's what I'm meaning. Thanks for picturing it, Rob .

Not only the locations makes more sense, but it helps put content in a place where it just doesn't exist.

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Yeah, but the current world map shows Zandalar is directly south of the Maelstrom, and with the Broken Isles at the east and the Lost Isles at the west, there's no room for Vashj'ir :S.

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Old 11-17-2009, 08:37 AM
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Maybe something sinks and makes room for it?
Wouldn't that mean it would have to sink on top of it?

On-topic: I would assume there would be other minor Naga cities\towns\villages\outposts around the sea, so it wouldn't be that Illidan called them from half the sea away.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:52 AM
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Wouldn't that mean it would have to sink on top of it?

On-topic: I would assume there would be other minor Naga cities\towns\villages\outposts around the sea, so it wouldn't be that Illidan called them from half the sea away.
But this is Vashj's city. It only makes sense for her forces to have been stationed here all along, until Illidan called them and they attacked Azshara.
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I'm not sure about that. Perhaps Vash'j is a dynasty, not just one character, and while the character we know as "Lady Vash'j" lived in the court of Nazjatar, her family could have ruled, or could continue to rule, Vashj'ir for generations.
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:41 AM
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Wait what's the smaller circled area northeast of Winterspring/Azshara?
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Wait what's the smaller circled area northeast of Winterspring/Azshara?
The should-be-location in Roblore and I's opinion.
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Old 11-17-2009, 12:28 PM
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Oh. Ok, yeah I can see that. Still, if there's ONE Sunken City, I'd hope we see more sunken cities later.
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Old 11-17-2009, 12:51 PM
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But this is Vashj's city. It only makes sense for her forces to have been stationed here all along, until Illidan called them and they attacked Azshara.
Is Vashj the first name or surname?
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Is Vashj the first name or surname?
How many times have you heard of someone referred to as "Lady Sally" or "Lord Steve"? I'm pretty damn sure it's a last name- especially when they name a whole city after it- or her family took her name from the city. You don't see a lot of "Bobtowns", do you?
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:17 PM
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How many times have you heard of someone referred to as "Lady Sally" or "Lord Steve"? I'm pretty damn sure it's a last name- especially when they name a whole city after it- or her family took her name from the city. You don't see a lot of "Bobtowns", do you?
No, but I have seen a Zin'Azshari. There is a Lady Vashj in the WotA novel, and it implies that she is the same one we see in BC, especially since the novels are supposed to be a backstory for many of the characters. She was a trusted retainer of Azshara, and it may not be too much of a stretch to say that whatever is keeping Azshara alive may have affected her closest confidants.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:21 PM
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Yeah, but the current world map shows Zandalar is directly south of the Maelstrom, and with the Broken Isles at the east and the Lost Isles at the west, there's no room for Vashj'ir :S.

http://www.wowwiki.com/File:WorldMap-World.jpg
I think that Cataclysm or no Cataclysm, Zandalar and Tel'abim are not to scale, and can be moved wherever. As they are they are just filler. If they are added to the game, they will likely be bigger, so they might as well be further south on a more zoomed-out map.

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How many times have you heard of someone referred to as "Lady Sally" or "Lord Steve"? I'm pretty damn sure it's a last name- especially when they name a whole city after it- or her family took her name from the city. You don't see a lot of "Bobtowns", do you?
So Vashj and Azshara are their last names, and they both also have a first name?
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:25 PM
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How many times have you heard of someone referred to as "Lady Sally" or "Lord Steve"? I'm pretty damn sure it's a last name- especially when they name a whole city after it- or her family took her name from the city. You don't see a lot of "Bobtowns", do you?
Juuuurst making sure it's the same in Warcraft.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:38 PM
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That looks right to me:
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It's odd. We know it IS customary for night elves to have last names, and they have always been referred to as "tite+name", though with Queen Azshara it's a little odd since plenty of kings and queens are referred to by their first name, usually because dynasties create a lot of people with the same last name, but seeing as the same person has been on the throne for millenia, I'd wager they're actually last names.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:32 PM
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Well, atleast in Sweden there are certain towns called Karlstown (Karl is a firstname and yes, I translated a name to english lol).

And im sure you could say both Lord Nelson and Lord Martin. Or King Carl or King Bernadotte.
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I'm not sure about that. Perhaps Vash'j is a dynasty, not just one character, and while the character we know as "Lady Vash'j" lived in the court of Nazjatar, her family could have ruled, or could continue to rule, Vashj'ir for generations.
At BlizzCon I remember them specifically saying that Vashj'ir was Lady Vashj's seat of power in the oceans. It was her own little section of the ocean given to her for staying so loyal to Azshara. So I don't really agree with the idea that the underwater city was some long dynasty of Vashj's.

However, as for her name, I agree with you. Many people in WarCraft have their last name become more prominent then the first name, one prime example being Lord Lothar, how many times did you see people really call him Anduin? It really could swing either way in the end but I lean on Vashj being her family name.
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At BlizzCon I remember them specifically saying that Vashj'ir was Lady Vashj's seat of power in the oceans. It was her own little section of the ocean given to her for staying so loyal to Azshara. So I don't really agree with the idea that the underwater city was some long dynasty of Vashj's.
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