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Old 08-17-2012, 10:26 AM
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Rhonin is dead, nice.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:27 AM
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If the Kirin Tor don't expel the Horde and the Sunreavers from Dalaran, idk what the fuck to think. They just killed the former leader of the Kir in Tor, abused stewardship of magical artifacts privileges, and wiped out the kingdom of the new leader of the Kir in Tor. Yeah, some repercussions gots to go down.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:28 AM
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If only he could make them older, somehow. Really fast. Maybe he should use some sort of magic to artificially age them?
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:28 AM
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I expect Dalaran will be entirely Alliance until Garrosh is no longer Warchief. This is obviously only if Dalaran ever gets a update at any time which i doubt but i expect them to be invited back once someone else becomes Warchief in a future book.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:29 AM
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Fandral hated the Horde and Moonglade stayed as a neutral city.

And I don't see your argument "OH DALARAN HELPED THE ALLIANCE" when at least one Sunreaver was helping the Horde.
Fandral wasn't the leader of the Cenarion Circle. He was the Alliance representative.

One Sunreaver helped the Horde. Keep in mind that the Sunreavers aren't even technically part of the Kirin Tor, they're Horde, and they prove this by striking at the Alliance in WotLK. They made two assassination attempts on my character.

On the other hand, we see the Kirin Tor rendering DIRECT, OFFICIAL military aid to the Alliance in Hillsbrad, Blasted Lands, and now, Theramore. It's not a huge stretch to have them rejoin the Alliance, especially with Dalaran in a time-bubble. Especially with Jaina at the helm, who's now an anti-Horde Alliance patriot. Cdev has confirmed she isn't going neutral. So how do you rationalize an Alliance character leading the Kirin Tor but the Kirin Tor not rejoining the Alliance?

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Blizzard will have to do some serious asspulling to justify Jaina leading the Kirin Tor but the Kirin Tor not being part of the Alliance, especially after the Horde directly strikes against Dalaran on multiple occasions including stealing powerful magical artifacts with the intent of weaponizing them.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:30 AM
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If the Kirin Tor don't expel the Horde and the Sunreavers from Dalaran, idk what the fuck to think. They just killed the former leader of the Kir in Tor, abused stewardship of magical artifacts privileges, and wiped out the kingdom of the new leader of the Kir in Tor. Yeah, some repercussions gots to go down.
If they do i doubt we will see it happen in game unless Dalaran gets updated and placed back in its old position. Otherwise Dalaran in game might end up having Jaina in Rhonins position but it is technically in the past with it being WoTLK so i doubt anything will change.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:30 AM
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And I don't see your argument "OH DALARAN HELPED THE ALLIANCE" when at least one Sunreaver was helping the Horde.
Sunreaver =/= Kirin Tor

The Kirin Tor is a neutral faction. The Sunreaver isn't. So the Kirin Tor broke its neutrality in oder to help the Alliance.

And an Alliance member leading Dalaran isn't enough for you?
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:31 AM
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Incidentally, they had an opportunity to kill off Vereesa as well here but they didn't. Make of that what you will.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:32 AM
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So what is happening with Vereesa now?
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:32 AM
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So glad Rhonin is blown to oblivion. Enjoy the raptor heaven you ginger mary sue.
Well said.

Also, Varian is still a racist, although not a warmonger. Also, who builds the Mana Bomb, Blood Elves?
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:34 AM
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Also, Varian is still a racist, although not a warmonger. Also, who builds the Mana Bomb, Blood Elves?
Quel'thalas needs to get some sense burned into it.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:35 AM
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Quel'thalas needs to get some sense burned into it.
Didn't that already happen twice?
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:36 AM
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Incidentally, they had an opportunity to kill off Vereesa as well here but they didn't. Make of that what you will.
... And what's your opinion about it ?
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:37 AM
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Dalaran going neutral is super stupid.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:38 AM
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Sunreaver =/= Kirin Tor

The Kirin Tor is a neutral faction. The Sunreaver isn't. So the Kirin Tor broke its neutrality in oder to help the Alliance.

And an Alliance member leading Dalaran isn't enough for you?
Yes they are. The head of the Sunreavers and a few others are Kirin Tor.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:39 AM
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Isn't Dalaran ruled by a council anyway?

And then again, I don't see anywhere a reference kicking out the blood elves, goblins, etc.

Oh and now the Sunreavers don't matter? Because a few months you were crying "OH SUNREAVER TRAITOR, DALARAN MUST BECOME ALLIANCE FOR THIS"
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:40 AM
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Oh and now the Sunreavers don't matter? Because a few months you were crying "OH SUNREAVER TRAITOR, DALARAN MUST BECOME ALLIANCE"
I still want the elf beheaded for his crime.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:41 AM
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With Knaak's characters being killed by Golden one by one. I can imagine what would happen when they meet again. lol
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:44 AM
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With Knaak's characters being killed by Golden one by one. I can imagine what would happen when they meet again. lol
I think she should have contacted him when she made the decision?
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:45 AM
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With Knaak's characters being killed by Golden one by one. I can imagine what would happen when they meet again. lol

IKR. Add Metzen pretty much saying that she is the good one (regarding writing)


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I still want the elf beheaded for his crime.
I want to push the helves off a cliff.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:45 AM
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Blizzard will have to do some serious asspulling to justify Jaina leading the Kirin Tor but the Kirin Tor not being part of the Alliance, especially after the Horde directly strikes against Dalaran on multiple occasions including stealing powerful magical artifacts with the intent of weaponizing them.
Honestly, I fully expect them to pull some weak ass compromise out of their asses. Well, the Devs could cop out by making the Kir in Tor a neutral organization like Shattrath and just force the Sunreavers to renounce their ties to the Horde when the war is over. Jaina and Veressa may not like it but Dalaran is run by a Secret Six council and can garner enough support for to let the Sunreavers stay and justify somehow letting Horde players into the city. Lorewise, it doesn't make any sense but Dalaran from a game mechanic perspective, makes a great neutral city regardless of lore. Unless they remake the entire Sunreaver quarter and make a counterpart rival city and organization for the Horde, I don't see how they're just going to chuck away a great neutral zone like that regardless of lore. It's either they stay neutral or we just never see Dalaran again.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:46 AM
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Didn't that already happen twice?
Yeah. The first time by Orgrim Doomhammer's Horde of orcs, trolls, ogres, goblins, and undead (plus enslaved dragons). The Alliance humans and wildhammer dwarves helped defend it. Lor'themar was there. So was Halduron.

The second time just by undead, maybe some troll mercenaries. It just did much better. The Alliance humans and dwarves probably would've helped, except you know, Lordaeron had fallen already since Quel'thalas didn't feel the need to fight the Scourge when it was just Lordaeron getting trashed.

Then Garithos tried to execute Kael, and this means the Alliance betrayed them.

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Old 08-17-2012, 10:49 AM
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I personally think that Dalaran (and Nighthaven and Moonglade overall for that matter) given their purpose (studies)
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:54 AM
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With Knaak's characters being killed by Golden one by one. I can imagine what would happen when they meet again. lol
Don't mess with the Knaakian Kharakter Killer.
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:55 AM
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Knaaks death aside, is there anything in this novel which we didn't predict would happen?

It seems to be exactly what I thought it'd be. Even the whole Varian refusing to aid Jaina and her becoming angry and unstable for it.
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