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Old 09-20-2012, 11:38 PM
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Just reposting this here as well. Had it up over on the SF

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...29134321_o.jpg

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Title? High King of the Alliance.

"The Alliance still stands, and so does it's king. As the war with the Horde heats up, Varian Wrynns leadership will face unprecedented tests, but none will compare to the battlefield that will soon erupt in Pandaria. King Wrynn will call on champions of the Alliance to secure this land...and save something of great value to him"

So, the Alliance is being treated as one government state. Which implies Darnassus and Ironforge are no long their own kingdoms, just their own principalities. Demoting Tyrande and the Council of Three Hammers to essentially Governors.

Unless of course someone wants to try and debate that "King of the Alliance" means something else.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:40 PM
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:45 PM
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:47 PM
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Title is "High King", this is exactly the same title we've heard since Blizzcon. I don't see anything new here? We still don't know what that means in regards to governing bodies.

For all we know the SAC just got a name change.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:48 PM
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Title is "High King", this is exactly the same title we've heard since Blizzcon. I don't see anything new here? We still don't know what that means in regards to governing bodies.

For all we know the SAC just got a name change.
It says he's the King of the Alliance. That IS new.

Instead of the High King just being a title, he's now officially the King of the Alliance. It's leader.

It's beyond S.A.C.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:50 PM
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Yeah, if they insist on pushing that I'm pretty much gonna stop caring about the Alliance. The faction I bought into was a number of independent and diverse states banded together for defense against a common threat, and if they're committed to scrapping all that in favor of turning it into Varian and his mostly unimportant friends I'm out. If it's just a hoity-toit way of saying SAC I can live with that, if begrudgingly, but the day I hear a member of the Council of Three hammers refer to Varian as "My King" is gonna be the day I give up.

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Old 09-20-2012, 11:59 PM
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Let the record state that I tried to avert this.
Thanks for the efforts at least. You couldn't due much about it, so no reason for anyone to be upset at you on the matter.

I just wish they had listened. I honestly don't think I've seen a single person FOR the High King role. Certainly many who said they would wait and see what High King entailed, but... actually for the concept?
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It's alot easier writing mirror image factions than creating interesting and different lore for the two.
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It's sad but true that making Varian the "high king" would make the Alliance easier to write. It's the lazy way out.
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Lets just hope its temporary... I was hoping him becoming High King during the war would simply mean he would be leading each factions armies against the Horde.
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It's sad but true that making Varian the "high king" would make the Alliance easier to write. It's the lazy way out.
Someone is going to come along and make a detailed post about how in a few years we'll have the Siege of Stormwind when Varian gets drunk on power. Tyrande or Malfurion will promise to be the one to put the arrow/wrathbolt into him.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:06 AM
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I like him being High King because it gives the Alliance some damn unity, will make a repeat of Alterac or Gilneas much more unlikely, and might make it clearer what happens when an Alliance member state is destroyed.
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For me High King just doesn't have the sort of "kick" Supreme Alliance Commander does.

The SAC's rank and title imply towering authority and martial power. High King keeps bringing me back to Narnia, where Peter was High King pretty much because he and his siblings all became kigns and queens and he happened to be the oldest. It just feels like an arbitrary uptick in rank to grant more prominence to the humans, suggesting that while dwarves and gnomes have had kings, Stormwind has a High King, and that's just plain better than a normal king.

Are we going to have Anduin named Grand Priest of Elune and Overprophet of the Holy Light to knock Tyrande and Velen down to "less important than their human equivalent" status?

Or, perhaps more nauseating still, can we expect to learn Elune's a Naaru as a means to functionally lump the night elves' faith with that of the draenei in preparation for the Church of the Holy Light to basically subsume both and make even the spiritual facets of the other Alliance races' cultures subservient to human leadership?
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I like him being High King because it gives the Alliance some damn unity, will make a repeat of Alterac or Gilneas much more unlikely, and might make it clearer what happens when an Alliance member state is destroyed.
Well, ok. There's one who likes it.

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For me High King just doesn't have the sort of "kick" Supreme Alliance Commander does.

The SAC's rank and title imply towering authority and martial power. High King keeps bringing me back to Narnia, where Peter was High King pretty much because he and his siblings all became kigns and queens and he happened to be the oldest. It just feels like an arbitrary uptick in rank to grant more prominence to the humans, suggesting that while dwarves and gnomes have had kings, Stormwind has a High King, and that's just plain better than a normal king.

Are we going to have Anduin named Grand Priest of Elune and Overprophet of the Holy Light to knock Tyrande and Velen down to "less important than their human equivalent" status?

Or, perhaps more nauseating still, can we expect to learn Elune's a Naaru as a means to functionally lump the night elves' faith with that of the draenei in preparation for the Church of the Holy Light to basically subsume both and make even the spiritual facets of the other Alliance races' cultures subservient to human leadership?
I guess we are going to see. I don't doubt it.

This is a pretty major blow to the other races being relevant
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More people would be OK with this if he were black. Or gay.

But since he's stereotypically white and heterosexual (not to mention probably Republican), of course everyone hates him, and the notion that he's the man in charge.

Give the same title to Tyrande, and everyone applauds Blizz for being progressive...
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More people would be OK with this if he were black. Or gay.

But since he's stereotypically white and heterosexual (not to mention probably Republican), of course everyone hates him, and the notion that he's the man in charge.

Give the same title to Tyrande, and everyone applauds Blizz for being progressive...
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:27 AM
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Varian would be a democrat considering how he's fine with his son being gay.
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It says he's the King of the Alliance. That IS new.

Instead of the High King just being a title, he's now officially the King of the Alliance. It's leader.

It's beyond S.A.C.
I missed that.

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More people would be OK with this if he were black. Or gay.

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Give the same title to Tyrande, and everyone applauds Blizz for being progressive...
I..just...uh..

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Let the record state that I tried to avert this.
Considering there have been hints of this since the Wolfheart book and Blizzcon, It seems this has been in the works for a long time.

My thought on this matter If Varian is High King of the Alliance does that mean the Stormwind needs a new "low" King represent the interests of Humans?

Because if Anduin were to become King while his Father is High King it would allow Blizzard to move the Anduin story forward without having to kill this father. It would also open up some new conflict between Varian and Anduin which is more than father-son angst.

Because at the end of the day interests of humans and the interests of the Alliance are not always the same thing.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:35 AM
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More people would be OK with this if he were black. Or gay.

But since he's stereotypically white and heterosexual (not to mention probably Republican), of course everyone hates him, and the notion that he's the man in charge.

Give the same title to Tyrande, and everyone applauds Blizz for being progressive...
He's not a Republican, dude.

He's clearly a Whig head.

Beyond this, do you honestly think that Varian should even up there in the leadership scale considering how he didn't even know he was in a war with the Horde despite, you know, fighting Garrosh?
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He's obviously a royalist. C'mon guys.
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