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Old 05-11-2017, 06:16 PM
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They're not similar in the manner that relates to my question which you are avoiding
You only have so much to work with. That's the answer. Genes are both the limit and the starting point.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:18 PM
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You only have so much to work with. That's the answer. Genes are both the limit and the starting point.
How much do you believe race factors into this?
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:49 PM
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How much do you believe race factors into this?
They make people brown and absorb nutrients from the sun differently.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:24 PM
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How much do you believe race factors into this?
It depends on what you mean by 'factors into this'. There are certain diseases and aliments are some populations are more susceptible to. It's not wrong to try to improve the lives of those people by documenting them on that level. African-Americans are more susceptible to heart disease than white Americans. Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews, are more susceptible to Tay–Sachs disease. Those are two examples, but you can likely find more.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:25 PM
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It depends on what you mean by 'factors into this'. There are certain diseases and aliments are some populations are more susceptible to. It's not wrong to try to improve the lives of those people by documenting them on that level. African-Americans are more susceptible to heart disease than white Americans. Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews, are more susceptible to Tay–Sachs disease. Those are two examples, but you can likely find more.
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:15 PM
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You only have so much to work with. That's the answer. Genes are both the limit and the starting point.
Comparing intelligence to height is not evidence of genes serving as a limit.
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:31 AM
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Intelligence.
Sure, but that doesn't make one race superior to another. Nor does it put whites at the top or blacks at the bottom.

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Comparing intelligence to height is not evidence of genes serving as a limit.
Can you change your natural hair color at will or over the course of a period of months?
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:48 AM
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Can you change your natural hair color at will or over the course of a period of months?
No, but I'm smarter now than I was when I was 10, you're making false equivalences in lieu of making an actual argument or providing evidence.
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Old 05-12-2017, 02:02 AM
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:01 AM
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No, but I'm smarter now than I was when I was 10, you're making false equivalences in lieu of making an actual argument or providing evidence.
Now that is a false equivalence. Height in inherited. Eye color is inherited. Intelligence is inherited. Wisdom, knowledge. Those aren't inherited. You're confusing intelligence with wisdom or knowledge. And don't confuse any of this with morality.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:31 AM
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But I thought you couldn't argue with science because it is true whether you think it is or not?
It's no so much science you can't argue with, because you can and should, it's the whole point about science as a process; to question and argue. But reality and things within it (physical things, non-physical things, laws and what have yous) that'll stay objectively true no matter what you believe.
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Old 05-12-2017, 05:48 AM
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"Science" is a highly institutionalized and methodologically defined human activity concerned with sctructuring and systematizing specific sort of data, constructing intellectual models based on it and making predictions. And that's about it.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:40 AM
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Business as usual.


History that has survived for over a thousand years, two world wars, destroyed in a single moment by one resentful "refugee" who decides he's going to show how much he appreciates being given the opportunity to live in a Western nation!
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:07 AM
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Sure, but that doesn't make one race superior to another. Nor does it put whites at the top or blacks at the bottom
How does that work?
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:16 AM
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I believe that, at least here in Germany, vandalism against immigration is far more common than vandalism by immigrants, so as reprobable as that is, I wouldn't call it "business as usual" since it still is fairly rare. However, Germany may just be an oddity.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:37 AM
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History that has survived for over a thousand years, two world wars, destroyed in a single moment by one resentful "refugee" who decides he's going to show how much he appreciates being given the opportunity to live in a Western nation!
Dreadful, but not an argument for why anyone else from the same demographic would need to have their treatment changed.

The guy should be arrested and charged with the appropriate levels of vandalism and destruction of property and such. No different from anyone else.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:52 AM
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How does that work?
Intelligence doesn't make you better. Does being tall make you better? Do any other traits make you better? No. To my knowledge, sharks and crocodiles are not very intelligent. They've remained unchanged for millions of years, however, proving they're very well adapted their environments. If humans are wiped out but sharks and crocodiles remain, are they better? What about the San people? Many of them still live much the same as they have for thousands of years. If all our technology failed, they would continue on as if nothing changed. Are they better?

Intelligence is useful, but it isn't the only trait that is useful.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:52 AM
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You can't change your hair color but you can change your BMI and muscle mass.
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:32 AM
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Intelligence doesn't make you better. Does being tall make you better? Do any other traits make you better? No. To my knowledge, sharks and crocodiles are not very intelligent. They've remained unchanged for millions of years, however, proving they're very well adapted their environments. If humans are wiped out but sharks and crocodiles remain, are they better? What about the San people? Many of them still live much the same as they have for thousands of years. If all our technology failed, they would continue on as if nothing changed. Are they better?

Intelligence is useful, but it isn't the only trait that is useful.
Are certain races better suited for certain occupations?
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:44 AM
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Are certain races better suited for certain occupations?
I like blood elf priests because of arcane torrent and they look good in robes. Humans make good paladins because they are so iconic.
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:46 AM
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I like blood elf priests because of arcane torrent and they look good in robes. Humans make good paladins because they are so iconic.
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Old 05-12-2017, 02:53 PM
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No, but I'm smarter now than I was when I was 10, you're making false equivalences in lieu of making an actual argument or providing evidence.
You are on the wrong side of the fence here Sky. What you are suggesting is essentially against evolution. Because you imply intelligence is somehow magical and outside the mechanism of evolution which makes no sense. Intelligence is inherited and while raising your child to be inquisitive (at a very young age, 7 or less) and good schooling can make for a person who seems smarter you can't make a doofus into a professor.

I know what bothers you, you hate the white supremacist argument that whites have 30IQ or so more than blacks and you don't want to feed it. But IIRC scientifically the differences found are quite low, more in the realm of 2-5% between the races and are indeed second fiddle to education and proper upbringing. So you can relax and not be as defensive in this matter.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:09 PM
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IQ tests are kind of a dumb metric though. No employer is going to care about your IQ. They care about your experience and your training. They care that you can hold a conversation and don't smell funny.

The focus on standardized tests is to society's detriment especially one all encompassing. There are various studies that even give different conclusions but I think it is all hogwash. Society works because people specialize and compliment each other. There is no linear metric for something like intelligence. This isn't a video game. The test is just as flawed as the humans who write it and it only holds as much meaning as anyone allows it to.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:38 PM
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Are certain races better suited for certain occupations?
We can let the free market decide that.

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IQ tests are kind of a dumb metric though.
When you weigh yourself after eating are you upset at the scale for the fact that you weigh more? IQ tests do provide information. Not perfect information (you could also divide it into verbal and non-verbal IQ), but the best we currently can provide.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:40 PM
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When you weigh yourself after eating are you upset at the scale for the fact that you weigh more? IQ tests do provide information. Not perfect information (you could also divide it into verbal and non-verbal IQ), but the best we currently can provide.
Mass is a measurable quantity. IQ is a written test.
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