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Old 04-20-2014, 08:51 AM
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Default So How Was Lei Shen Going To Conquer Pandaria?

Despite all of his hype, the man had more setbacks than the Blood Prince Council.
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Old 04-20-2014, 08:56 AM
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:00 AM
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Armies of terracotta/troll golems soldiers if I had to guess...

Trolls and mogu don't have their own numbers to go to war but they have plenty of golems and teracotta soldiers.

But i'm just guessing.
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Armies of terracotta/troll golems soldiers if I had to guess...

Trolls and mogu don't have their own numbers to go to war but they have plenty of golems and teracotta soldiers.

But i'm just guessing.
Well, we destroyed the Will of the Emperor, his Divine Bell, and I'm probably overthinking this, but we've been killing off his best soldiers on the Isle of Thunder.
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:04 AM
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:10 AM
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Who is Lei Shen?
The Thunder King.
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:11 AM
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The Thunder King.
Oh. It sounded like a panda name.
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Old 04-20-2014, 10:22 AM
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Presumably he'd have fired up the flesh-shaping and soul-capturing facilities in the Throne of Thunder again and started churning out new armies of animated statues and either saurok or some new flesh-crafted warriors. There's a sense that a lot of what was in the Vale's facilities got replicated in the ToT, and that in particular the flesh-crafting stuff that produced the saurok took place there rather than the Mogu'shan Vaults. Plus the Will of the Emperors made new stone mogu, but the mogu were still capable of jamming enslaved souls into statues and animating them without it.

Still, SotH implied that their plans were doomed to fail, as too much had changed and there were too many variables in the world as it exists today to just take over as they did before and put things back to the way they used to be. Nonetheless stopping them sooner than later was important, as they'd have gotten tons of people killed trying to conquer Pandaria (and according to their deal with the Zandalari, Kalimdor) if they'd had the time to amass a large enough number of "manufactured" soldiers and begin an invasion on their terms.
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Old 04-20-2014, 01:15 PM
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Old 04-20-2014, 01:18 PM
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It's a shame that we only saw Garry use the Sha and not the flesh shaping powers of the Mogu. Hmm, what if he unearths Titan facilities on Draenor and continues the work of Doctor Shen?
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Old 04-20-2014, 01:24 PM
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The pandaren were already pretty weakened by the sha, and he's got access to the facilities of the isle of thunder, as well as sweet zandalari magic. The number of actual mogu and trolls under his command wasn't really that impressive, but he had a lot of powerful magic that could supplement those numbers, whether it be by trapped souls, mogu and zandalari golems or just rapid-aged dinosaurs. It would probably be close, but I could see those conquering at least a large chunk of Pandaria, especially with the north as weakened as it is at the moment.

That's not to mention the possibility of flesh-shaped servants, or the existence of another forge of the endless. He gets his hand on any of those, and it suddenly becomes a lot easier.
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Old 04-20-2014, 02:06 PM
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The pandaren were already pretty weakened by the sha, and he's got access to the facilities of the isle of thunder, as well as sweet zandalari magic. The number of actual mogu and trolls under his command wasn't really that impressive, but he had a lot of powerful magic that could supplement those numbers, whether it be by trapped souls, mogu and zandalari golems or just rapid-aged dinosaurs. It would probably be close, but I could see those conquering at least a large chunk of Pandaria, especially with the north as weakened as it is at the moment.

That's not to mention the possibility of flesh-shaped servants, or the existence of another forge of the endless. He gets his hand on any of those, and it suddenly becomes a lot easier.
How about dinosaur shaped golems with souls shoved into them? Or flesh shaped dinosaur servants?
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Old 04-20-2014, 03:49 PM
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How about dinosaur shaped golems with souls shoved into them? Or flesh shaped dinosaur servants?
Aren't the saurok already pretty much the latter?
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Old 04-20-2014, 03:51 PM
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Aren't the saurok already pretty much the latter?
No. I think the saurok were flesh crafted from basilisks, not dino/devilsaurs. For my think, think devilsaur type golems, or warped Triceratops and devilsaur creations. For the fleshy ones, maybe something between saurok and devilsaur in size. For the golems, big stone golems with an intelligent mind in them rather than a simple animal mind.
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Old 04-20-2014, 04:10 PM
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http://wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Conquest_of_Stone
http://wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Sleepless_Legion
http://wowpedia.org/Quest:Rise_No_More!

Those should indeed show that the suspicion of some posters in here is very well backed by actual quest lore.
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The pandaren have no standing army and the shado-pan, while skilled, aren't invincible, they'd die faster than they could be replaced.

Lei Shen would probably crush pandaria pretty easily if the two modern superpowers hadn't stomped him before he could re-establish himself.
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The pandaren have no standing army and the shado-pan, while skilled, aren't invincible, they'd die faster than they could be replaced.

Lei Shen would probably crush pandaria pretty easily if the two modern superpowers hadn't stomped him before he could re-establish himself.
Ultimately that's kind of the point, though. In modern Azeroth the mogu couldn't really win, because both the Horde and Alliance were too invested in conquering or preserving Pandaria respectively to not destroy any emergent mogu/Zandalari invasion.

Even with the native pandaren and mantid greatly reduced in strength, being attacked by an invading mogu army would have had the Alliance rallying to crush it, and Garrosh probably wouldn't have balked at devastating half the continent if it would keep Pandaria from falling to someone other than the Horde.

Ultimately trying to conquer Pandaria would mean attacking and effectively declaring open war upon the Alliance and Horde, and the mogu just don't seem adaptable enough to deal with fighting two entrenched, intercontinental powers on an equal footing. Even with their own war going on, the fact that SoO happened just shows that both superpowers had entire armies in reserve, ready to be unleashed upon the next trouble spot, be it the other faction or a mogu invasion.

The Alliance in particular is made out to be highly efficient, given that it could field armies against enemies all around the world, yet it's business as usual in Goldshire or Khaz Modan because they don't have to dismantle and reorganize their entire civilizations to support such widespread mobilization.
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:07 PM
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The aim was for Pandaria to be made into Zandalar 2.0, until Kalimdor was conquered (which may or may not have been intended as Zandalar 3.0?). Had the Thunder King established himself, Zul and the other fleets might have converged on Pandaria and mobilized naval defenses, isolating the continent.

I mean, where else would they go?

In fact, if the Zandalari fleets are currently scouring the seas (with just the one fleet being sent to Pandaria, as was supposedly the case) then the open waters of Azeroth seem like a very dangerous place. Well, more dangerous than usual.

One wonders how Sylvanas, Lor'themar and Varian managed to cross the sea without encountering them, seeing as their entire civilazation is supposedly floating around in ships...
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:00 AM
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Well, the sea itself is a big place, and the Zandalari may have to deal with other threats like naga and kraken and whatnot.

And it's not like the Zandalari are necessarily in CE "attack everything that moves" state. At best they'd just get a bunch of wrecked enemy ships if they attack and a bunch of their own ships destroyed. It's not like it'd gain them any land.
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