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Old 11-17-2013, 12:53 PM
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:56 PM
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:56 PM
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:59 PM
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"Warcraft fandom is too far gone for me to make my individual wishes comply with what others feel would be appropriate given lorelol, but..."

This is how I feel about everything. At this point, Warcraft is made of such glitteringly beautiful pieces but strung along is such a godawful manner that I have to rewind ALLLLL the way back. The suggestion that KJ be a power battery was the result of a rethinking of the themes and motifs of TBC, and how that negatively impacted Blood Elven development.

I'm excited to drop my own musings and engage your discourse about the rights of fanon on top of canon, but alas, 30 minute drive to work... til then!
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:03 PM
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I am actually not scrawny, tend more towards a bit of burliness.
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:48 PM
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"Warcraft fandom is too far gone for me to make my individual wishes comply with what others feel would be appropriate given lorelol, but..."

This is how I feel about everything. At this point, Warcraft is made of such glitteringly beautiful pieces but strung along is such a godawful manner that I have to rewind ALLLLL the way back. The suggestion that KJ be a power battery was the result of a rethinking of the themes and motifs of TBC, and how that negatively impacted Blood Elven development.

I'm excited to drop my own musings and engage your discourse about the rights of fanon on top of canon, but alas, 30 minute drive to work... til then!
Looking forward to that and hearing what you think of my BE evolution idea.

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Old 02-27-2014, 05:06 AM
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What should we do with those annoying little profession booster racials, that practically want to force you to learn profession xyz?

I'll tell you what! Instead of boosting professions they should become racial professions! After all, what good does a gnome's [Engineering Specialization] do on it's own? Without the profession there's no indicator that your gnome knows his engineering, which is a travesty!

By now you're probably asking yourself, how does this work oh humble yet great Nazja? I'll explain, baka-deshi. You get a racial exclusive profession that can't be leveled up and just has 5-10 recipes to craft, mostly, vanity items. Ever wanted your gnome to ride a spidertank or your goblin to ride a hobgoblin? Well, this is how you do it! But wait, what about archeology? Doesn't that already only allow you to craft vanity items? Fret not, dwarves get something useful too. They can use archeology fragments to learn new languages, which is somewhat useful. I won't have to race change to understand those Zandalari in Zul'Aman and Zul'Gurub, at least. (Yes, I did that. )

(I'm mostly joking.)
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:16 AM
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... really?
Yes. I wanted to know what they were saying.
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:19 AM
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:51 AM
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Blood Elves would actually be more like Night Elves in my estimation. The iconography of Night Elves would be bent toward moons and crescents, but still have celestial and star-patterned motifs. Blood Elves would build off the star-pattern geometry and add in suns, planets, more renaissance-like things.

While the Night Elves have taken their faith to be more of a monotheistic mystery cult, Blood Elf tradition emerges from a pantheon from whom Elune is a peer. Given thousands of years, Blood Elf faith has become more a spiritual psychology than a theistic religion. MOONlight versus Cosmos Light.
I really approve of the - star-pattern geometry and add in suns, planets, more renaissance-like things - That would be a interesting take on the the light, that the light is within ALL things and not just people, so they look to the stars to find it. I find that a interesting concept, For blood elves I view there priests are more philosophical-spiritual than faithful. That they contemplate the world around them how it works, how to use it, and how to aid people.

Good though thinking, not good through blind faith.

As for blood elves as a whole.

I am on the side that the redemption was a good idea now, having them be demon sucking, fallen from grace race siding with demons got boring. I like the idea that they have been through so much vital and fundamental change that they are learning from past mistakes and start to find a new place in the world they have ignored for several thousand years.

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Old 02-27-2014, 06:01 PM
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"Warcraft fandom is too far gone for me to make my individual wishes comply with what others feel would be appropriate given lorelol, but..."

This is how I feel about everything. At this point, Warcraft is made of such glitteringly beautiful pieces but strung along is such a godawful manner that I have to rewind ALLLLL the way back. The suggestion that KJ be a power battery was the result of a rethinking of the themes and motifs of TBC, and how that negatively impacted Blood Elven development.

I'm excited to drop my own musings and engage your discourse about the rights of fanon on top of canon, but alas, 30 minute drive to work... til then!
That's kind of how I feel about it too. There are actually some pretty cool ideas here and there, but they never seem to really work out the way one hopes. But perhaps I'm reading too much into it.

EDIT: As to the actual topic, I'm not especially well-versed in balance mechanics. It'd be interesting to see the racial bonuses get more emphasis in-game. My understanding is that a lot of the active abilities don't really matter much.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:04 PM
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Now that Celestalon has confirmed some of the changes, it's time for me to make a serious post. For starters, I like these changes. The old talents were too tailored to some classes and useless for others, so what Blizzard has done with them is a huge improvement. I of course expect more changes and new racials to come because, as things are right now, there's a huge disparity in the amount of racials each race has. They seem to want to rectify that - as evidenced by them giving blood elves another racial - so I remain optimistic and confident.

That said, I'm somewhat saddened by the fact that the profession boosters haven't been touched. I didn't expect them to be touched, but it would have been nice if they had been, for the following reasons:
  1. Just like the other old racials, profession boosters are too tailored to some classes. This has improved somewhat with the years - now that engineering is useful for classes other than the hunter too - but really, giving gnomes, the only race without hunters, an incentive to pick up the unofficial hunter profession? Hey gnomes, we'll give you this racial so you can show everyone how advanced you are, but only if you play a hunter.

    (Yeah, I know that engineering sucked for everyone in Vanilla.)
  2. Racials like [Rocket Barrage] or [Rocket Jump] do a far better job of showing us what the goblins are known for than [Engineering Specialist] does for gnomes. If you saw both races using their racials, which would you think is the tech-savvy race?
  3. On one hand the bonus is so minuscule and meaningless that the racial might as well be obsolete, but on the other hand, the racial still manages to make you feel as if you were squandering potential by not learning the boosted profession. That's how they make me feel, at least.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:35 PM
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:45 PM
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Racials should be made cosmetic and cool.
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:46 PM
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Nah.

Racials should be made cosmetic and cool.
Yep. Racials are a cool concept, that shouldn't have any impact on gameplay.
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