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Old 02-10-2010, 06:02 PM
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Given these two facts, how can blood elves still be blood elves and not High Elves? The distinction's superficial for god sakes. It's only been, what, five years since the term was coined?
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:06 PM
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Because then they wouldn't have sloppy reasons to hate the Alliance!
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:07 PM
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Have you thought this through? The political division that separated them ran deeply and now they have history and entangling alliances behind it. The Blood Elves named themselves such in honor of their fallen brethren. Those two occurrences you mentioned don’t change what happened.
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:15 PM
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Have you thought this through? The political division that separated them ran deeply and now they have history and entangling alliances behind it. The Blood Elves named themselves such in honor of their fallen brethren. Those two occurrences you mentioned don’t change what happened.
What political division?
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WHAT HISTORY?
it happened FIVE YEARS AGO!

I should point out that the Blood Elves ARE High Elves, and that they lost the SAME brethren
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:28 PM
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There is almost, no government for the high elves, only some groups, most of them were just individuals still served the Alliance. I guess many of them were not Quel'Thalas' citizen, belong to some other nation like Dalaran.
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Because then they wouldn't have sloppy reasons to hate the Alliance!
I am taking this side.

In Warcraft III, there was no split, just a racial rename. Then, Horde or not, Blizzard expanded on the Warcraft III units' demonic vibe and made the blood elves darker with the mana-draining abilities. But then, post Burning Crusade alpha, the crystals with angry eyes around Quel'thalas are not demonic at all, and only Kael's "evil" blood elves even thought about getting high on the demonic, as opposed to just leeching normal magic. There is a bit of Warlockery around Silvermoon, but that feels like a remnant of scrapped content to me. Was it to make the blood elves less evil feeling? I do not know what motivation the elves still have for hating each other. The blood elves are no longer demonic, and they never really were. I guess Kael's guys took their racial hatred of humans back to those who were left in Silvermoon. The current high elves were elsewhere.

However, as the OP, by his first few posts and his signature, seems to ba a hardliner for his own views of canon, I doubt he thought that much about it. Perhaps "ball of spite" is a better phrase than "hardliner". But who am I to judge one so new? I hate hypocrites, so I shall try and avoid being one.
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:36 PM
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Some high elves even choose to serve the Scourge, like we saw in Scholomance, so it's perfectly reasonable for some high elves to stay in the Alliance.
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I am taking this side.

In Warcraft III, there was no split, just a racial rename. Then, Horde or not, Blizzard expanded on the Warcraft III units' demonic vibe and made the blood elves darker with the mana-draining abilities. But then, post Burning Crusade alpha, the crystals with angry eyes around Quel'thalas are not demonic at all, and only Kael's "evil" blood elves even thought about getting high on the demonic, as opposed to just leeching normal magic. There is a bit of Warlockery around Silvermoon, but that feels like a remnant of scrapped content to me. Was it to make the blood elves less evil feeling? I do not know what motivation the elves still have for hating each other. The blood elves are no longer demonic, and they never really were. I guess Kael's guys took their racial hatred of humans back to those who were left in Silvermoon. The current high elves were elsewhere.

However, as the OP, by his first few posts and his signature, seems to ba a hardliner for his own views of canon, I doubt he thought that much about it. Perhaps "ball of spite" is a better phrase than "hardliner". But who am I to judge one so new? I hate hypocrites, so I shall try and avoid being one.
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Azeroth is a kingdom, Garona is half human, and Nerzuhl does not have a dead wife.
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Why are they still called Blood elves if they hate Kael'thas?
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:55 PM
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They named themselves blood elves in honor of their fallen brethren, not in honor of Kael.
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:57 PM
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Why are they still called Blood elves if they hate Kael'thas?
"The few of us that remain now call ourselves blood elves, in homage to our murdered people."
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:57 PM
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I think the biggest divide is that the Blood Elves joined former enemies, which was probably more unthinkable to the High Elves than being mana vampires. I do find it odd that Dalaran wasn't more significantly Blood Elf than High Elf, as I would assume those who were more obsessed with the arcane became a Blood Elf.
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:01 PM
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I think the biggest divide is that the Blood Elves joined former enemies, which was probably more unthinkable to the High Elves than being mana vampires. I do find it odd that Dalaran wasn't more significantly Blood Elf than High Elf, as I would assume those who were more obsessed with the arcane became a Blood Elf.
Because the high elves were only individuals. They did not have their government, only chose to stay because their own love for the Alliance.
Also, the elves already resigned from the Alliance a few year before the Scourge invasion.

"In consequence, there are so few high elves left on Azeroth today that they cannot be considered a race in anything other than the biological sense. High elves do not gather in any significant numbers, nor do they act as a coordinated whole. They are a very small group of individuals scattered all over the world. As such, they do not have common opinions or goals. Indeed, modern high elves cannot even truly be said to have a culture--only a past filled with glory and regret."

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Old 02-10-2010, 07:05 PM
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I'm fairly certain there is minor genetic difference, like the green eyes and sorta darker skin, but the Blood Elf/High Elf divide is mostly political. Most Blood Elves don't want to be High Elves and vice versa.
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:07 PM
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I'm fairly certain there is minor genetic difference, like the green eyes and sorta darker skin, but the Blood Elf/High Elf divide is mostly political. Most Blood Elves don't want to be High Elves and vice versa.
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:13 PM
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What political division?
and even worse,
WHAT HISTORY?
it happened FIVE YEARS AGO!

I should point out that the Blood Elves ARE High Elves, and that they lost the SAME brethren
Are you being willfully ignorant? The Blood and High Elves were divided philosophically and then allied with different factions and became entrenched with them. And do you honestly think nothing can happen in five years (even though its around 8-9 now since the fall of Quel‘thalas)? There is still very active hostility between the two groups that came into existence and that doesn’t just go away because Arthas died.


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Old 02-10-2010, 07:29 PM
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Given these two facts, how can blood elves still be blood elves and not High Elves? The distinction's superficial for god sakes. It's only been, what, five years since the term was coined?
Well in regards to the blood elves becoming their own race, you said that it was "only five years" ago but the Sunwell being fixed has probably only happened 5 weeks ago the way time goes in the Warcraft universe. That is if the blood elves can even change back into high elves. Their genes were affected after awhile.
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Agreed. Honestly, if you’re just going to non-stop complain about new lore in some futile crusade to turn back time, we really don’t need that here. Its not really constructive at all, and comes off a whininess.
Isnt that what this forum is for?
A safe haven for people unhappy with the direction of Warcraft Lore?
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Isnt that what this forum is for?
A safe haven for people unhappy with the direction of Warcraft Lore?
Not at all. This is a forum for people wishing to discuss the lore in an environment free from people that have preconceived notions and get militaristic and insultive when something happens that they don't agree with.


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Isnt that what this forum is for?
A safe haven for people unhappy with the direction of Warcraft Lore?
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:38 PM
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Not at all. This is a forum for people wishing to discuss the lore in an environment free from people that have preconceived notions and get militaristic and insultive when something happens that they don't agree with.


Like what you're doing. Twat.
Any insults I gave were in response to the sycophantry and invalidation I received FIRST. I never once pre-emptively insulted anyone.
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Isnt that what this forum is for?
A safe haven for people unhappy with the direction of Warcraft Lore?
No it is a safehaven to discuss lore, whether you like that lore or not. In fact, I would have thought most of us are here because overall we love the Warcraft lore. We still complain a hell of a lot about lore matters, but we are civil about it and dont resort to name calling just because someone has a different opinion.

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Any insults I gave were in response to the sycophantry and invalidation I received FIRST. I never once pre-emptively insulted anyone.
The attitude of "I'm better than you all and correct regardless of what the people that write the lore i claim to be a fan of" is an insult. So yeah, you did, were, and are. Twat.
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