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Old 09-17-2019, 01:11 PM
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I'm always a little bit torn about them reporting such things.

On one hand, it's often good to have information about governmental goings-on available for the public's assessment.

On the other hand...aren't we kind of helping foreign powers troubleshoot their own intelligence services' methods whenever we loudly broadcast finding out when, where and how they were hacking or spying on us?
To be fair, the media has to compete against Trump's twitter feed. Trump can scoop them for stories, thanks to his direct access to classified information and his power to legally/accidentally declassify it.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/05/75803...oto-yep-he-can

If the media discovers a national secret and DOESN'T report it, then Trump will report it and get all the precious likes and subscribers.

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Old 09-17-2019, 02:36 PM
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I'm always a little bit torn about them reporting such things.

On one hand, it's often good to have information about governmental goings-on available for the public's assessment.

On the other hand...aren't we kind of helping foreign powers troubleshoot their own intelligence services' methods whenever we loudly broadcast finding out when, where and how they were hacking or spying on us?
By the time they get to it, adversaries most likely already know.
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Old 09-18-2019, 12:10 AM
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Wow, Really disappointing to see how much of Forensics is BS.
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:19 PM
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https://www.npr.org/2019/09/18/76189...ing-child-porn

Yep. Another one.

[edit] Aaaand the president has been caught asking a foreign nation to interfere with our democracy. Again.

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Old 09-21-2019, 09:03 AM
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So what's the coincidence that Trump wanted the group that was Saudi sponsored to commit 9/11 over for tea how ya doings. Then all sudden, they get attacked and Trump wants to dedicate troops there. Lets just forget how much that country bankrolls him
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Old 09-21-2019, 10:27 AM
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[edit] Aaaand the president has been caught asking a foreign nation to interfere with our democracy. Again.
From what I've read, the media didn't have much to go on before Giuliani and Trump opened their mouths, rolling a 1 on the Charisma save.

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Start here: Trump described the complaint as filed by a "partisan whistleblower." And he referred to the complaint as a "political hack job."

Which is interesting! Was Trump telling us that he knew the identity of the whistleblower? And did he have information that proved that this person was, in fact, a partisan out to get Trump? Man, big story!

"I do not know the identity of the whistleblower," Trump then said.

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Remember that up until Trump started talking, all we knew for sure was that the whistleblower complaint centered on several interactions between Trump and a foreign leader.

[. . .]

Enter Trump. Asked about whether the conversation in question was with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump said this:

"I don't want to talk about any conversation. It was a great conversation. A totally appropriate conversation. It couldn't have been better."

So, then, there was a conversation with the Ukrainian president. Which confirms the reporting of the Times and the Post!
It's what happens when you elect a president who can't pass the Turing Test.

"We don't need to talk about [Variable]. It's a great [Variable]. It couldn't be better! Let me tell you, I'm very good friends with [Variable]. It's very appropriate. Everybody's talking about it, and they all agree."

The art of the deal! He's so charismatic!

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Old 09-21-2019, 04:21 PM
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So what's the coincidence that Trump wanted the group that was Saudi sponsored to commit 9/11 over for tea how ya doings. Then all sudden, they get attacked and Trump wants to dedicate troops there. Lets just forget how much that country bankrolls him
The right has been trying to find an excuse to invade Iran ever since the shah was overthrown. They're more than willing to cuddle up to brutal dictators to get their war.
And then, of course, they'll still try to claim that things like the embargo against Cuba is due to it being a "brutal dictatorship" and "socialism bad" while American crops are rotting in the fields since they can't sell it to certain nations and get a government handout instead. It's enough to make your head spin.
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Old 09-25-2019, 06:47 AM
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I Abominate the Republican party and the fucking way that they have skewed media and become nothing but sycophants for this corrupt fucking bastard.

Pelosi is gutless and needs to push for impeachment because it shouldn't matter whether republicans are onboard or not, asking a foreign nation to interfere with US politics is FUCKING ILLEGAL.

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Ironically I feel It's a mistake to focus the impeachment stuff on the Ukraine tbh

Trump and Repubs will make it look like Trump was trying to fight Biden's corruption and it'll blow up in the Dems faces, they should've focused on how Trump has been changing rules in our government and profiting off his position, but that'd mean drawing attention to Dems who do the same thing, so of course they won't.

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Is it more or less illegal than misusing an email server?
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Old 09-25-2019, 08:41 PM
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Is it more or less illegal than misusing an email server?
Tbh Im pretty sure Trump's tweeting of classified info has been worse than the Hillary email debacle
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Old 09-25-2019, 10:54 PM
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Tbh Im pretty sure Trump's tweeting of classified info has been worse than the Hillary email debacle
Going to be crass, but it's amazing that Bill lying about getting his dick sucked caused so much more pearl clutching and cries for removal, than any other single thing the current president has done. And only just now is Impeachment going to be filed.
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Old 09-26-2019, 07:45 AM
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Going to be crass, but it's amazing that Bill lying about getting his dick sucked caused so much more pearl clutching and cries for removal, than any other single thing the current president has done. And only just now is Impeachment going to be filed.
Yeah sadly people cared more about the impropriety rather than the fact that she was sexually assaulted.
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Old 09-26-2019, 10:08 AM
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Going to be crass, but it's amazing that Bill lying about getting his dick sucked caused so much more pearl clutching and cries for removal, than any other single thing the current president has done. And only just now is Impeachment going to be filed.
I think that Speaker Pelosi acted because (1) rising pro-impeachement sentiment among House Dems, and, perhaps most importantly, (2) there is a much easier narrative of Constitutional illegality and impropriety in the Ukraine case for public consumption than there was for the conspiracy (in the legal sense) between Trump and Russia.

In this case there are also several key differences, one of which makes it an easier issue for Congressional Republicans to tacitly oppose President Trump, should it come to that point. (1) Trump was acting in the official capacity of the US Presidency, (2) according to the whistleblower report, Trump was abusing presidential powers for personal gain, (3) Trump was withholding funds for Ukraine that Congress had passed legislation on, and (4) again, according to the whistleblower report, staff and lawyers realized that this was an abuse of presidential power such that the White House sought to cover-up this event, including even moving the official transcript to a separate classification system. So while (1) and (2) are important for the general public, I think that point (3) will be important subtle point for career Congressional members. Trump was undermining their own power there.

Clarification: What was released by the White House was a redacted memo and not the official transcript. (Since Nixon, there are no tapes for such calls so don't expect any mystery tapes to surface.)

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Tbh Im pretty sure Trump's tweeting of classified info has been worse than the Hillary email debacle
Not to mention a dozen or so WH officials (including the trump family) have also been confirmed to be using private email for government business. Nobody's talking about those.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/u...-whatsapp.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cations-tools/

Also an important note, the treasonous deals donnie tried to make with Ukraine were partially via his private email server. If you're listening, China, get me those emails!

The most recent treason scandal's whistleblower has been confirmed to be a CIA officer, by the way.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/u...tleblower.html
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Old 10-01-2019, 11:17 PM
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Get ready. He'll call to arms soon for those who try to remove him. 100% inciting violence here.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:19 AM
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Get ready. He'll call to arms soon for those who try to remove him. 100% inciting violence here.
Careful, you're getting dangerously close to supporting the opposition to a violent right-wing takeover. That riles up our local fascists. They'll try to get you banned for that.

I should buy some armor plates.
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Careful, you're getting dangerously close to supporting the opposition to a violent right-wing takeover. That riles up our local fascists. They'll try to get you banned for that.

I should buy some armor plates.
The local tumbleweeds sure look fascist to me.

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Old 10-04-2019, 08:41 PM
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Local Thumbleweeds?
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The h is a misspell. But yeah pretty much everyone who thinks differently has left, and definitely no Nazis out to ban him in this tumbleweed ghost town.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:06 AM
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The local tumbleweeds sure look fascist to me.
I don't think that "fascist" means what you think it means.
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I don't think that "fascist" means what you think it means.
I know far more than Kak who thinks "local fascist" will get him banned from here. The statement is absurd to the max so I could not help but respond.
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Old 10-05-2019, 06:03 AM
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I know far more than Kak who thinks "local fascist" will get him banned from here. The statement is absurd to the max so I could not help but respond.
The best response to things like that is no response at all. Don't bite. Don't engage. And certainly don't do so by making your own absurd statement that makes you look similarly foolish. It seems like there are better ways of handling it.
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Old 10-05-2019, 02:01 PM
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I know far more than Kak who thinks "local fascist" will get him banned from here. The statement is absurd to the max so I could not help but respond.
You really don't remember when there was a concerted effort to try to get me banned for saying I'd defend myself? The right has lost its mind and just wants to silence all dissenting opinions, especially if it's to speak out against right-wing violence.
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Old 10-06-2019, 05:13 AM
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You really don't remember when there was a concerted effort to try to get me banned for saying I'd defend myself? The right has lost its mind and just wants to silence all dissenting opinions, especially if it's to speak out against right-wing violence.
I think Nonane is making a reference to the fact that pretty much none of those posters are still around. They left. Leaving tumbleweeds. And crickets.
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