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Old 12-17-2013, 11:57 AM
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I'm curious: have any of you taken any classes that were conducted primarily or entirely on the Internet? If so, what did you think?

I've taken several this year, and I have to say that I don't think they're very effective means of instruction. Communicating online adds a series of barriers that aren't present with in-class interaction. You can't rely on body language, when you're confused you are not necessarily able to get an immediate response or answer, and being online adds a layer of abstraction to the whole thing.

Now, there are online classes where you can interact with the instructor, but even these seem prone to error. The instructor has to watch a window to see if anyone is asking a question, which can take a while. I had one where the instructor ended up talking for five minutes on mute (and I don't think she was a bad instructor—it's the sort of mistake anyone can make).

There are some other factors. I've only taken three online classes, so my sample size isn't very big. These classes have also been in subjects in which A) I am not proficient, and B) do not find particularly interesting (I'm basically taking them to boost my resume).

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Old 12-17-2013, 12:01 PM
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I prefer online courses since I can do the work when I want (to a point) throughout the week which works better with a job. It's a lot more self teaching though and self motivation.

If the classes are important to your field and you don't feel you're getting as much from them then you should take them in person. Now if the classes are just BS classes you're taking for the hell of it who really cares how much you retain as long as you pass.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:03 PM
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I prefer online courses since I can do the work when I want (to a point) throughout the week which works better with a job. It's a lot more self teaching though and self motivation.

If the classes are important to your field and you don't feel you're getting as much from them then you should take them in person. Now if the classes are just BS classes you're taking for the hell of it who really cares how much you retain as long as you pass.
More or less how I feel. I've taken online classes for a good 3 years now at least and haven't regretted it much.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:03 PM
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Depends on your learning style and what kind of classes they are.

I prefer online if it's a subject that I already am comfortable with and won't be too reliant on getting behind or having trouble with the concepts.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:07 PM
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Well, most of my lectures don't have compulsory attendance, so I guess you could call those online classes. I just read whatever the lecturer uploads whenever I need to know that particular information.

I agree that they're not the best kind of classes/lectures. If I were to go to the lecture I'd get the same information but instead of reading it myself I'd get it read. That makes it even harder to remember the boring information.

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Old 12-17-2013, 12:07 PM
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Depends on your learning style and what kind of classes they are.

I prefer online if it's a subject that I already am comfortable with and won't be too reliant on getting behind or having trouble with the concepts.
Yeah, it probably has more to do with my learning style. I took online classes for the same reason as Leviathon, but given the expense and low payoff, it would probably better for me to attend a class in-person at community, if possible.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:12 PM
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Of course, just as in meatspace, the quality can vary wildly, but some of the Coursera classes I've taken have been quite good. Speaking for myself, I find I have trouble staying on task without the looming threat of Full Life Consequences, so i tend not to get as much out of internet classes as I do from classrooms, but that's a personal problem.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:15 PM
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I've taken two - Philosophy and Myth in American Culture - the latter of which I ended up dropping due to my difficulties with the format (and the instructor, who was later referred to as "oh, that psycho" when I asked my the dean of admissions why he wasn't teaching there anymore). I'm just not terribly good at self-motivation towards any ends barring whatever random task has captured my interest at a given moment, and as such the lack of in-class segments to physically separate me from any possible distractions and force me to pay attention resulted in my attention wandering whenever I should have been learning. Combine that with the problems you noted, and I'm kinda dreading the online course I may have to take next summer. Then again, it's also a computer course, so perhaps I might just be able to power through it rather than spending time waffling on a highly subjective topic.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:17 PM
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Oh yeah, forgot to mention that I fall asleep if I'm bored, so I'd have to read at home anyways. Japanese kept me awake, though.
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I've taken two literature classes over the net. Ineffective and improductive unless you've got a lot of dicipline.
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:22 PM
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I have to take classes online because of my job and a lot of the local ones don't transfer back home. I just take electives and the humanities online because the primary ones aren't online. I don't think those ones matter as much and it is essentially learn and purge. I can't take any where I have to be online at certain times so it has to be at your own pace.
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Old 12-17-2013, 02:15 PM
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I've passed all of my online classes, but I haven't really retained much of what I learned (and in the first, I basically just got by with following the instructions—I had no idea what was happening).

Seems like they're a great option if you just need extra credits or breadth requirements, but a if it's for a skill you actually want to learn and understand you need to make sure that online classes work for you.
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Old 12-17-2013, 03:41 PM
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I've passed all of my online classes, but I haven't really retained much of what I learned (and in the first, I basically just got by with following the instructions—I had no idea what was happening).

Seems like they're a great option if you just need extra credits or breadth requirements, but a if it's for a skill you actually want to learn and understand you need to make sure that online classes work for you.
In general though I'd wager most people forget what they learned regardless of where the class is. If you don't use it you'll lose it. You probably learn more at your actual job than from the classes.
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Old 12-17-2013, 03:45 PM
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I've passed all of my online classes, but I haven't really retained much of what I learned (and in the first, I basically just got by with following the instructions—I had no idea what was happening).

Seems like they're a great option if you just need extra credits or breadth requirements, but a if it's for a skill you actually want to learn and understand you need to make sure that online classes work for you.
This is a big problem with education in general. If it isn't something you use everyday like something in you career or sufficient English capabilities you will forget it. It is just a waste of time and money. I would rather we streamline a lot of our post high school education programs without all the fluff so we can get it down faster and cheaper.
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This is a big problem with education in general. If it isn't something you use everyday like something in you career or sufficient English capabilities you will forget it. It is just a waste of time and money. I would rather we streamline a lot of our post high school education programs without all the fluff so we can get it down faster and cheaper.
Ideally, you learn many different things in college. Focusing on just one subject tends to produce people who don't really know how to think about anything other than their field. This is the idea behind breadth requirements—you get exposed to ideas and tools that you might not have otherwise noticed. Also, I remember many of the things I've learned in some classes even though I don't use them very often.

However, I don't think people should be expected to go to four-year colleges simply because A) not everyone wants to, and B) it's an unfair financial burden. Most jobs don't actually require college degrees, and those who want to go straight into the job market should be able to do so without being stigmatized for it.

A better idea (as I've said a dozen times before) is probably to make high school more rigorous. In fact, the laxity of the K-12 system is one of the reasons that colleges have to spend a lot of money on remedial education.
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