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Old 12-20-2013, 05:47 PM
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I just don't like the frostwolves all that much.

Part of it is their colors are lame and Blizz has never made Ice a good theme for the orcs.
What would you have done with them instead?
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Old 12-20-2013, 05:50 PM
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Wouldn't that make Fojar happy and allow the Horde to not be bad anymore? I really don't care about feeling weak if the Alliance was able to win like that.
1. Why would you care about his happiness? Especially since he's Canadian.

2. You're far too submissive.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:00 PM
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So, since we're mentioning the Western Horde.

The Orcs should stop being so ultra mega crazy warmongerer and decide to get back to their shamanism and ancestor worship, maybe realizing that the warpath is not the the smartest of things and its better to live in peace, go hunting, and fight in arenas.

The Trolls need some damn conflict. All their conflict is caused by other forces or other troll tribes there's no internal strife within the Darkspear all troll agree with Vol'jin, there needs to also be some actual culture. We know about the other trolls culture little of Darkspear.

The Tauren need some distinction. We know that there's Grimtotem and the others but there's not that much distinction between the other tribes, there needs to be more distinction with this, tauren pallys, tauren tribes, and maybe explore their shamanism a bit more.

The Goblins might wanna kill off their own little leader. Really, he's a slave driver and an asshole I don't see why they just say, "hey you know what, fuck this guy!" and just shoot him in the head and go leaderless. Their mercantile assholes who really only care about making money, they don't really need a leader.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:03 PM
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What would you have done with them instead?
I would have them not exist.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:05 PM
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1. Why would you care about his happiness? Especially since he's Canadian.

2. You're far too submissive.
I just don't want to feel like the bad guys anymore. Satisfy the Alliance's need for justice.

Submissive is such an awkward thing to call me.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:05 PM
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I would have them not exist.
They've existed since WC2 though, would you have just made them all die out?
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:07 PM
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They've existed since WC2 though, would you have just made them all die out?
Where did they exist in WC2?

I thought they were invented for WC3
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:09 PM
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Where did they exist in WC2?

I thought they were invented for WC3
They were in the game manual, I think.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:12 PM
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They were in the game manual, I think.
Nope, introduced in Lord of the Clans. No mention before that, as far as I know.



Honestly, I really like the whole 'ice orc' thing, exactly because it is completely unlike every other orc clan out there. Factions that don't fit the overall racial theme are a good thing.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:15 PM
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Then where did this come from?

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Old 12-20-2013, 06:25 PM
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Honestly, I really like the whole 'ice orc' thing, exactly because it is completely unlike every other orc clan out there. Factions that don't fit the overall racial theme are a good thing.
Exactly!

But see the Blizz has never -done- it.

Thrall's patron element is fire for godsakes
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:26 PM
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Exactly!

But see the Blizz has never -done- it.

Thrall's patron element is fire for godsakes
Huh, forgot that detail. Was that in Lord of the Clans?
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:28 PM
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The Goblins might wanna kill off their own little leader. Really, he's a slave driver and an asshole I don't see why they just say, "hey you know what, fuck this guy!" and just shoot him in the head and go leaderless. Their mercantile assholes who really only care about making money, they don't really need a leader.
I mean seriously, even in the Warcraft II Horde, Gallywix wouldn't last, and his subordinates would stab in the back soon as the opportunity arrived.

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I just don't like the frostwolves all that much.

Part of it is their colors are lame and Blizz has never made Ice a good theme for the orcs.
Ice is an element of shamanism. On a related subject, the Frostwolf Clan would've fit better then Shattered Hand and Dragonmaw as the White Clan in WC2.

Anyway, I like the Frostwolves, only problem is that the other Clans never get any positive focus nowadays. It sucks how MOP retconned all the reasonable orc characters out of existence for its juvenile PVP justification.

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Old 12-20-2013, 06:31 PM
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Huh, forgot that detail. Was that in Lord of the Clans?
Yep.

So, I'm all for Ice-orcs if they can do it but they never will.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:34 PM
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Also the Darkspear Tribe needs to start recruiting trying to expand its powerbase.

Come to think of it, the entire Horde needs to do that, make some new allies, and no capturing stuff like the magnataur doesn't count.

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Yep.

So, I'm all for Ice-orcs if they can do it but they never will.
Ice is an all element of shamanism, and they do live in Cold places. Its never been said what Drek'thar's element is, chances are its ice.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:35 PM
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Yep.

So, I'm all for Ice-orcs if they can do it but they never will.
You know, we are getting an entire ice zone filled with these orcs. I wouldn't count it out yet.

We're also getting smith orcs, guerilla orcs, archer orcs and void orcs. If this expansion does anything right, it's giving the orc clans as much identity as the human kingdoms.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:36 PM
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In a cold zone, you kinda want fire on your side.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:37 PM
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You know, we are getting an entire ice zone filled with these orcs. I wouldn't count it out yet.

We're also getting smith orcs, guerilla orcs, archer orcs and void orcs. If this expansion does anything right, it's giving the orc clans as much identity as the human kingdoms.
Does it count if we kill them all, will never see them again, and they're all evil?
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:38 PM
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You know, we are getting an entire ice zone filled with these orcs. I wouldn't count it out yet.

We're also getting smith orcs, guerilla orcs, archer orcs and void orcs. If this expansion does anything right, it's giving the orc clans as much identity as the human kingdoms.
Much like trolls, it doesn't count when they're an unplayable faction and theres no distinction between the player Orc Clans.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:40 PM
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In a cold zone, you kinda want fire on your side.
Fire isn't really treated as a frost wolf thing though.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:41 PM
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You know, we are getting an entire ice zone filled with these orcs. I wouldn't count it out yet.

We're also getting smith orcs, guerilla orcs, archer orcs and void orcs. If this expansion does anything right, it's giving the orc clans as much identity as the human kingdoms.
When people say ice orcs they mean that the shamans would be focused on 'frost shock' right? If they mean that they can survive in colder climates better than wouldn't they focus more on fire to stay warm? What is an ice orc?

The human kingdoms haven't had that kind of identity since Warcraft II though. I think it would be awesome if they did but that is for the other thread.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:42 PM
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Does everyone agree that Vol'jin and The Darkspear tribe should try recruiting other Trolls?

And that the entire Horde should try to do the same?
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:46 PM
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Does everyone agree that Vol'jin and The Darkspear tribe should try recruiting other Trolls?

And that the entire Horde should try to do the same?
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:56 PM
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Does it count if we kill them all, will never see them again, and they're all evil?
You do know we're allying with the frostwolves, right?
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:57 PM
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You do know we're allying with the frostwolves, right?
And Only them.
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