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Old 09-15-2017, 04:21 AM
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Should I be worried? I remember one blizzcon had the golden dragon, then we got Pandaria. Murkidan and the ugly dog mount? We got Legion. The double headed mount from Frostfire Ridge? we got Warlords. Now we got Jaina up front and two faction mounts...
World of warcraft: the fourth war it will be a pandaria expansion where we take a break and focus on the faction war for some reason.
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Old 09-15-2017, 05:02 AM
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I actually like how the Warcraft RPG handled the contrast between their philosophies. the Cult of Forgotten Shadow had very similar beliefs, but from an almost inverted perspective. It had many of the same virtues, but the explanations were always in terms of personal survival rather than higher minded ideals. The idea of everything being interconnected was there, with their virtue of respect being based on how the will of all shaped reality, but the focus was definitely on the individual. The potential to gain a mastery over the greater whole as an extension of oneself rather than to simply exist harmoniously as a part of that greater whole.
I need to reread that.
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Old 09-15-2017, 05:29 AM
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:20 AM
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Legion had demons, elves, naga, tauren, and vrykul thematics, many of which didn't really intersect with each other.
Many of them allied or were corrupted by the legion, so that's debatable.
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:30 AM
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:06 AM
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Malygos.
Malygos was a subplot not related to the main plot.
It's nice to include subplots, allows for variation of themes.

Ulduar and Yog-saron was another subplot not related to the Lich King. It feels more organic because it was better executed.

Yog-saron subplot intersected with Lich King's in a few moments (saronite, the vision of LK with Bolvar and Dranosh in Yog-saron's fight). It had a whole zone devoted to it, an interesting development and two dungeons before the raid came out.

The thing about the Nexus War is that it was not so well-done. It doesn't feel epic, the final raid is a weak one-boss fight. It has 3 dungeons devoted to it, but they are all somewhat lacking. The storyline does not intersect with other stories, feeling apart from the rest of Northrend. The threat of an Aspect against all magic users could have been the center of an entire expansion, but in WotLK it ended not living up to expectation.
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:09 AM
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I actually like how the Warcraft RPG handled the contrast between their philosophies. the Cult of Forgotten Shadow had very similar beliefs, but from an almost inverted perspective. It had many of the same virtues, but the explanations were always in terms of personal survival rather than higher minded ideals. The idea of everything being interconnected was there, with their virtue of respect being based on how the will of all shaped reality, but the focus was definitely on the individual. The potential to gain a mastery over the greater whole as an extension of oneself rather than to simply exist harmoniously as a part of that greater whole.
Ah the old Cult of Forgotten Shadow. I liked how it was heavily inspired by divine humanism.
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:47 AM
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Ah the old Cult of Forgotten Shadow. I liked how it was heavily inspired by divine humanism.
Both it and the Light were, though the perspectives were reversed. Seeing yourself as potentially being an extension of everything vs everything potentially being an extension of yourself.

In that regard, who else gets the impression that Locus-Walker is trying to steal power from the gods to manufacture gods of his own, with how he had Alleria consume the hearts of a Demigod and Naaru? It seems to me like he's cultivating people capable of becoming Shadow Ascendants of a sort.
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:10 AM
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The threat of an Aspect against all magic users could have been the center of an entire expansion, but in WotLK it ended not living up to expectation.
Malygos could have carried an expansion by himself couldn't he, especially coming off of Sunwell. Damn, would have done him a lot more justice too, at least as an aspect. But that would mean two mad aspect themed expansions. And cataclysm needed Kalecgos to be the blue aspect for the superfriends arc. Shame. Sunwell, for me at least, put blue dragons on a pretty high coolness tier. And now thinking back, coldara kinda killed that.
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:44 AM
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:52 AM
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Malygos could have carried an expansion by himself couldn't he, especially coming off of Sunwell. Damn, would have done him a lot more justice too, at least as an aspect. But that would mean two mad aspect themed expansions. And cataclysm needed Kalecgos to be the blue aspect for the superfriends arc. Shame. Sunwell, for me at least, put blue dragons on a pretty high coolness tier. And now thinking back, coldara kinda killed that.
To an extent, it feels like the Nexus War was something they came up with in order to do Flying City Dalaran as the faction capital, but they either ran out of time or will to really give that narrative legs.

I never thought it was reasonable to have killing Malygos be the only solution to the problem, but I also never understood the notion that a) he's been crazypants for 10,000 years, but b) it's getting nether-juiced that gets him his sanity back, after which he decides that c) the bigger threat facing the world is rampant abuse of magic and not, y'know THE UNDEAD SCOURGE LITERALLY VISIBLE FROM THE GODDAMN OCULUS.

Beating Malygos into submission, and then having the Blue Flight play a role in assaulting Icecrown would have made more sense. Which, to bring it forward a bit, the part where the Armies of Legionfall buff shows you getting help from all of the Broken Isles groups we've helped out throughout the expansion really felt cool.
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Is Locus-Walker the first actual ethereal character? As in not someone who exists just to be a quest giver or quest target.
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:15 AM
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Is Locus-Walker the first actual ethereal character? As in not someone who exists just to be a quest giver or quest target.
Depends on if you count Haramad

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To an extent, it feels like the Nexus War was something they came up with in order to do Flying City Dalaran as the faction capital, but they either ran out of time or will to really give that narrative legs.
I've heard that Crystalsong Forrest was going to be related to the Nexus War, but if that's true and if so how deep that was going to go i have no idea. But it DOES have some magical shit and seemingly useless elite blue dragons flying about, and there was going to be SOMEthing going on in that place, so i don't doubt it.
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:40 AM
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I've heard that Crystalsong Forrest was going to be related to the Nexus War, but if that's true and if so how deep that was going to go i have no idea. But it DOES have some magical shit and seemingly useless elite blue dragons flying about, and there was going to be SOMEthing going on in that place, so i don't doubt it.
They say Dalaran lagged the zone too much, and that originally the argent tournament was meant to be there too

Should've instanced dalaran
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They say Dalaran lagged the zone too much, and that originally the argent tournament was meant to be there too

Should've instanced dalaran
Well, yeah, but that was patch content. I'm talking 3.0.
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They say Dalaran lagged the zone too much, and that originally the argent tournament was meant to be there too

Should've instanced dalaran
Instancing Dalaran would solve the lag problem, but it would also feel very bad having to load in/out all the time.

It's a shame they didn't have the sharding tech back then. That would have solved the problem.
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Is Locus-Walker the first actual ethereal character? As in not someone who exists just to be a quest giver or quest target.
Nexus-Prince Haramand.
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Instancing Dalaran would solve the lag problem, but it would also feel very bad having to load in/out all the time.

It's a shame they didn't have the sharding tech back then. That would have solved the problem.
Eh, possible, I wouldn't have minded personally

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Instancing Dalaran would solve the lag problem, but it would also feel very bad having to load in/out all the time.

It's a shame they didn't have the sharding tech back then. That would have solved the problem.
I'd not sure sharding would have fully fixed the issue as well. I think the main problem was having a zone on top of another zone hence why Dalaran is off the coast in Legion.
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Old 09-15-2017, 11:17 AM
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Some say that Kul Tiras should bebe based on Spain. Do you know who conquered Spain back in the day? It was those Ethereals!?!
Spain was conquered by Arabs, eventually got freed, thanks to the Catholic Kings. So, considering inspirations, we would Say Kul-Tiras is under Ethereals control, and its our job to go with Alleria and Turalyon to freed the crap out of them.
Using ships because of course we will use ships
And the ships will have loli, latino and religious references :v

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Is Locus-Walker the first actual ethereal character? As in not someone who exists just to be a quest giver or quest target.
The guy in BC who talks like Frank'n'Further, and the boss in Violet Hold. I assume they go the extra mile with the voices, because they dont have faces to convey specific feelings.

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Old 09-15-2017, 02:53 PM
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Spain was conquered by Arabs, eventually got freed, thanks to the Catholic Kings. So, considering inspirations, we would Say Kul-Tiras is under Ethereals control, and its our job to go with Alleria and Turalyon to freed the crap out of them.
Using ships because of course we will use ships
And the ships will have loli, latino and religious references :v
Bebe?
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Bebe?
For La Niña, La Pinta y La Santa Maria, the ships Columbus used to "discover" America
But yeah, Kul Tiras using a lot of the Spanish culture would be amazeballs. References to El Quijote de la Mancha, El Cantar del Mio Cid, La Celestina, Windmills everywhere, Flamenco music to ambient the continent, The Ethereals invading the world with a mix of Void energy and bringing tons of Moor/Muslim influences... it would be great, thematically.

But I guess a lot of people would REVOLT to the concept of giving Tirasians any kind of an image and a concept beyond "White People with ships"
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For La Niña, La Pinta y La Santa Maria, the ships Columbus used to "discover" America
But yeah, Kul Tiras using a lot of the Spanish culture would be amazeballs. References to El Quijote de la Mancha, El Cantar del Mio Cid, La Celestina, Windmills everywhere, Flamenco music to ambient the continent, The Ethereals invading the world with a mix of Void energy and bringing tons of Moor/Muslim influences... it would be great, thematically.

But I guess a lot of people would REVOLT to the concept of giving Tirasians any kind of an image and a concept beyond "White People with ships"
People would revolt for making Ethereal invaders the Muslim group.
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I need Jaina rocking a half spanish/half Queen-of-The-Seven-Kingdoms Cersei look.
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