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Old 10-25-2011, 11:20 PM
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:23 PM
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:24 PM
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:33 PM
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:51 PM
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All of the Horde's pushes in Night Elf land were repelled or undone in questing or novels. The Barrens, previously the heart of Horde territory, are host to desperate struggle just to maintain a standstill. In fact, the Cataclysm is the only reason the Alliance wasn't able to outright take the Barrens from the get go.
You know, I agree with your general sentiment there Kel, but...Barrens is not the heart of Horde territory. The Barrens is neutral territory as per treaties mentioned in Cycle of Hatred.

There should have been no military presence in The Barrens from either side. It just never gets mentioned. Like, ever.

Probably because the book was horrible. And didn't have enough of a stripper Jaina sleeping around to gain power in the "sexist" world.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:08 AM
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You know, I agree with your general sentiment there Kel, but...Barrens is not the heart of Horde territory. The Barrens is neutral territory as per treaties mentioned in Cycle of Hatred.

There should have been no military presence in The Barrens from either side. It just never gets mentioned. Like, ever.
Seems that might have been retconned. Garrosh, at least, prior to becoming Warchief believed the Barrens was Horde territory.

Ironically, the Alliance has always had a much stronger military presence in the Barrens than the Horde has. Camp Taurajo and the Crossroads versus Bael Modan and Northwatch Hold.

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They nagged him when the night elves ambushed lumber caravans from Ashenvale.

They nagged him when soldiers from Tiragarde Keep robbed Razor Hill.

They nagged him when the dwarves of Bael Modan and the humans of Northwatch Hold refused to leave the Horde territory that they had usurped.

None of these things was happening for the first time.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:13 AM
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Before the Horde showed up in the Barrens, who was there? Quilboars? Some Centaur? A few nomadic Tauren tribes? With the Tauren becoming part of the Horde, the Quilboars easily defeated/pushed down into the south and the centaur driven out in wc3 (that was my impression from the campaign, at least), I'd say the horde secured it for themselves quite some time ago, the Alliance have always had a presence there for sure, but it's military while the Horde have small towns and farmlands.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:16 AM
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Garrosh, at least, prior to becoming Warchief believed the Barrens was Horde territory.
Garrosh believes that all of Azeroth is Horde territory. His opinion is invalid.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:18 AM
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Garrosh believes that all of Azeroth is Horde territory. His opinion is invalid.
There are an awfully lot of Horde civilians who live in the Barrens. Southern Barrens is contested because the of an Alliance incursion, Northern Barrens is pretty undeniably horde land.

True, Garrosh wants to give the whole world to his Horde, but that doesn't suddenly invalidate the land they have already secured. Particularly land secured under the ruling the Thrall.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:19 AM
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Garrosh believes that all of Azeroth is Horde territory. His opinion is invalid.
If Garrosh believed all of Azeroth was Horde territory, there wouldn't be a need to conquer it.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:22 AM
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If Garrosh believed all of Azeroth was Horde territory, there wouldn't be a need to conquer it.
Sorry, to rephrase, he believes that it's all "rightfully" Horde territory.

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There are an awfully lot of Horde civilians who live in the Barrens. Southern Barrens is contested because the of an Alliance incursion, Northern Barrens is pretty undeniably horde land.
You don't get to invalidate land treaties simply by virtue of shuffling a bunch of civilians onto it. Bael Modan was almost entirely a civilian settlement as well.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:25 AM
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You know, I hardly see Barrens being brought up except for the case of Taurajo. I always wondered why it was never considered whenever the Horde were suffering from resources. Why couldn't they have found a way to turn it into a paradise like what was went over in its own questing spot about regrowing it and such? Ashenvale is nice yes, but I always thought the Barrens was so fitting for the Horde. The first time I went there I wanted to roll Horde just to understand the story behind the place and why the Horde live in it. The Savannah is a neat zone design imo.

When the Southern half of the Barrens became a more Alliance/Horde zone, I was pretty thrilled cause I wanted to quest there as Alliance. I still keep thinking the Northern portion should be made better, it's far better than it used to be but sometimes I imagine if the Horde found a way to make it a good area of land for resources they would be much better off for it than having to fight another people's land over it.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:26 AM
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You don't get to invalidate land treaties simply by virtue of shuffling a bunch of civilians onto it. Bael Modan was almost entirely a civilian settlement as well.
That's true about Bael Modan, I suppose. I guess I should put more emphasis on the contested nature of Southern Barrens, but up above you have horde farm lands and village settlements like Crossroads, to the west you have Mulgore, where the Tauren recently settled as well as a plethora of Tauren settlements throughout Northern and Southern Barrens. The Alliance came after the Horde came, and the Tauren were there before all of them.

Of all the races who could lay claim to the land, I'd say it's the Tauren's right, and they chose to join the Horde. So of course the Horde is going to protect it. An Alliance incursion from Dustwallow into Southern Barrens is pretty obviously a threat to the settlements in Northern Barrens as well as Mulgore (See: The giant ballista missles stuck in the great wall there) and of course Durotar.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:26 AM
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Sorry, to rephrase, he believes that it's all "rightfully" Horde territory.
I've seen him express a desire to conquer Azeroth, as he became Warchief. I don't see how that invalidates his belief that was stated by him prior to his promotion.

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You don't get to invalidate land treaties simply by virtue of shuffling a bunch of civilians onto it. Bael Modan was almost entirely a civilian settlement as well.
That air field and siege engine factory must have been a museum then...
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:28 AM
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That air field and siege engine factory must have been a museum then...
Mate, by dwarven standards that's the equivalent of a house alarm.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:30 AM
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Mate, by dwarven standards that's the equivalent of a house alarm.
Seems like it was broken... couldn't prevent a home invasion...
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:30 AM
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Seems like it was broken... couldn't prevent a home invasion...
What can I say, goblins be creepin'.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:34 AM
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What can I say, goblins be creepin'.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:37 AM
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That air field and siege engine factory must have been a museum then...
That was the result of the military presence that needed to be placed there to fight off Horde aggression.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:40 AM
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That was the result of the military presence that needed to be placed there to fight off Horde aggression.
Wait, wait, wait.

Was this before or after they wiped out an entire village of innocent tauren? You know, something the Horde didn't even bother avenging?
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:40 AM
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Fojar always ignores my posts when I think I've made good points, It's boring
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:42 AM
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Fojar always ignores good points
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:45 AM
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You don't get to invalidate land treaties simply by virtue of shuffling a bunch of civilians onto it. Bael Modan was almost entirely a civilian settlement as well.
What about all those Tauren butchered to build that "civilian outpost"? I mean, it's not like they lived there, or anything...
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:46 AM
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:59 AM
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Of all the races who could lay claim to the land, I'd say it's the Tauren's right, and they chose to join the Horde. So of course the Horde is going to protect it. An Alliance incursion from Dustwallow into Southern Barrens is pretty obviously a threat to the settlements in Northern Barrens as well as Mulgore (See: The giant ballista missles stuck in the great wall there) and of course Durotar.
Problem with this view is that the Tauren signed on with the Horde, and as such gave up any "intrinsic claim" that they had to the land when Thrall signed that treaty with Jaina. Them sticking with the Horde means that they (presumably) support that treaty.

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What about all those Tauren butchered to build that "civilian outpost"? I mean, it's not like they lived there, or anything...
A bunch of Tauren protested Bael Modan because they don't like dynamite, it didn't work so they got violent, Dwarves drove them off.

Tauren got butthurt and followed that up by murdering dozens of Dwarven civilians.
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