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Old 09-18-2017, 10:49 AM
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:08 AM
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And of course you jump to making jokes about the suffering of others. You make me sick.
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:29 AM
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:35 AM
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It is very hypocritical of him to post that after attacking me for simply trying to draw parallels to other situations. Thank you for pointing that out.
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Old 09-18-2017, 07:02 PM
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I see no way this could possibly lead to abuse.

It's interesting, because I've long tip-toed around the question of gender dysphoria as a mental illness, so apparently I can understand the debate around gender identity (all while I desperately try to stay out of it, because fuck that noise), but I squirm when the same debate shows up around sexual orientation.

But to bring things back around to international politics rather than identity politics:

Grewal no longer Conservative candidate in Mississauga-Malton (2015/10/07)

Short version is the party dumped him after an article came out in which he ostensibly supported gay conversion therapy. Think Pence, but Canadian. He insisted some of it was miscommunication due to the original article having been in Punjabi, and people were mistranslating bits (specifically, when he talked about gay people wanting to be normal, he meant to say straight, but that was lost in translation between English to Punjabi and back), and I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, but the Conservative party thought it best to cut ties anyways.
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:03 PM
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:36 PM
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So, what's of the context of these?

Adults wanting to change their natural inclinations (the bread and butter of psychology, yeah?) is a different thing than gay teens being "rounded up and sent to camps".
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Old 09-18-2017, 09:27 PM
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So, do you guys have any thoughts on the situation in Catalonia? I'm interested to hear your opinion on this subject.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:25 PM
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So, what's of the context of these?

Adults wanting to change their natural inclinations (the bread and butter of psychology, yeah?) is a different thing than gay teens being "rounded up and sent to camps".
All the reactions leans towards the latter. A friend who is graduating in Law School just made a Facebook post in where she says that parents can now round up their children and send them to treatment to be "cured' of homosexuality.

Dire times if that's true.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:55 PM
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Two problems. Even if there was a cure for homosexuality that worked, and I am pretty sure there isn't, it is still wrong to round up people to cure a "disease" that is not infectious or serious.

Also I am very skeptical that Brazil would be so extreme, or even close to it.
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:31 AM
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it is still wrong to round up people to cure a "disease" that is not infectious or serious.
I'mma go out on a limb here an assume Brazil is predominantly Catholic or some borderline fundamentalist denomination like that, and to them it's a sin worth going to hell for, and actually quite a serious disease to be cured by force.
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Old 09-19-2017, 07:18 AM
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I'mma go out on a limb here an assume Brazil is predominantly Catholic or some borderline fundamentalist denomination like that, and to them it's a sin worth going to hell for, and actually quite a serious disease to be cured by force.
It's not a sin to be gay in Catholicism. It's a sin to have gay sex.
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Old 09-19-2017, 07:35 AM
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It's not a sin to be gay in Catholicism. It's a sin to have gay sex.
I'm sure that distinction brings gays and lesbians great spiritual comfort and ease of conscience.
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Old 09-19-2017, 07:53 AM
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It's not a sin to be gay in Catholicism. It's a sin to have gay sex.
Well that just takes all the fun out of the (in lack of a more elegant word) faggotry, now doesn't it?
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Old 09-19-2017, 08:03 AM
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I'm sure that distinction brings gays and lesbians great spiritual comfort and ease of conscience.
Well, a large part of the sin there is that gay sex, by definition, can't contain the only sinless form of sex, v. penetration. So, they can at least take some comfort in the fact that they are not that much sinful than me when I poke a girl's backdoor. We are all sodomites anyway.
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Old 09-19-2017, 08:32 AM
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I'm sure that distinction brings gays and lesbians great spiritual comfort and ease of conscience.
Sodomy is also defined as oral sex so, you know, most straight people engage in sodomy at some level.
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:28 PM
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Plus isn't all non-procreative sex a bit of a no-no to fundamentalists? At the very least all non-marital, non-standard sex is for sure. Though I recall the priest mentioning that it is fine if the couple is dedicated and will marry soon.
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:49 PM
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So, do you guys have any thoughts on the situation in Catalonia? I'm interested to hear your opinion on this subject.
The only exposure I've really had to the subject, besides the occasional snippet of news over the last 4-5 years, has been through some colleagues of mine who were working in Barcelona and its tourism industry, where the topic is obviously inescapable. The local tourist economy uses Catalonian culture as a selling point (Think terroir), so they've been one of the big drivers of the conversation around Catalonia's bid for independence.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:44 PM
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Plus isn't all non-procreative sex a bit of a no-no to fundamentalists? At the very least all non-marital, non-standard sex is for sure. Though I recall the priest mentioning that it is fine if the couple is dedicated and will marry soon.
There is a laundry list of things that various Christian sects are against for various reasons (in terms of sex). Homosexual sex isn't special for being on the list.
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Old 09-20-2017, 12:01 AM
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I'mma go out on a limb here an assume Brazil is predominantly Catholic or some borderline fundamentalist denomination like that, and to them it's a sin worth going to hell for, and actually quite a serious disease to be cured by force.
We do have a problem with overly religious politicians.
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Old 09-20-2017, 12:15 PM
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So, Spains talking about passing a law that sets up an alternate legal system of offense. Not only is the burden of proof on you, the radical groups in charge decide whats offensive, being neutral can be offensive. facebook posts, snapchats between friends, public or private activities, memes, everything vulnerable.

More, if the normal courts say youve done nothing wrong, the new ones can still punish you...

By shutting down your business or stopping your activities for two years.

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https://translate.googleusercontent....kNjsoerPkIWOIw

The media there is barely covering it from what im told, and the chances of it passing are pretty high.. again, from what ive read/told
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Old 09-20-2017, 12:37 PM
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Old 09-20-2017, 12:42 PM
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The media there is barely covering it from what im told, and the chances of it passing are pretty high.. again, from what ive read/told
With the current situation in Catalonia few people will care about that law. And the ruling party will have an even easier vote to pass it because the catalan lawmakers abandoned their seats today.
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With the current situation in Catalonia few people will care about that law. And the ruling party will have an even easier vote to pass it because the catalan lawmakers abandoned their seats today.
I hadnt heard that. Shit that sucks.
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:08 AM
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