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Old 02-02-2014, 08:12 PM
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Didn't she fail to secure Gilneas and not actually establish any new holdings aside from a research station in the Hinterlands?
Her forces murdered the fuck out of Hillsbrad.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:13 PM
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Her forces murdered the fuck out of Hillsbrad.
Well yeah but if that's the only measurement we're using Garrosh murdered the heck out of a druid town.

They had about as much strategic value after Stillwater fouled everything up.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:25 PM
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Well yeah but if that's the only measurement we're using Garrosh murdered the heck out of a druid town.

They had about as much strategic value after Stillwater fouled everything up.
Moreso, since Forsaken questing gets rid of the worgen and Stormpike threats and thus leaves the land, more or less, to the Forsaken whim.
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:28 PM
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This is a constructive, well thought out thread that surely won't dissolve into pointless faux-rp bullshit.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:31 PM
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Moreso, since Forsaken questing gets rid of the worgen and Stormpike threats and thus leaves the land, more or less, to the Forsaken whim.
It's not as if the area was all that firmly in the Alliance's hands before, securing hillsbrad isn't that big a deal.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:33 PM
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It's not as if the area was all that firmly in the Alliance's hands before, securing hillsbrad isn't that big a deal.
The Forsaken presence Tauren Mill was a pretty weird outlier in that zone in vanilla.

So it's big enough, compared to Defias again, Blackrock & Roll: Electric Boogaloo, Frostmane again...
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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The Forsaken presence Tauren Mill was a pretty weird outlier in that zone in vanilla.

So it's big enough, compared to Defias again, Blackrock & Roll: Electric Boogaloo, Frostmane again...
Still, the idea that Sylvanas was the only leader who made gains because she secured Hillsbrad that's... kind of a stretch since she's not -gained- anything from Hillsbrad other than a spider-farm I guess.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:40 PM
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Still, the idea that Sylvanas was the only leader who made gains because she secured Hillsbrad that's... kind of a stretch since she's not -gained- anything from Hillsbrad other than a spider-farm I guess.
She gained the whole zone.
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She gained the whole zone.
So what, a haunted fort, the ruins of Durnholde she nonsensically turned into an elemental gladiator arena, a rebellious mushroom farm?
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:43 PM
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So what, a haunted fort, the ruins of Durnholde she nonsensically turned into an elemental gladiator arena, a rebellious mushroom farm?
Still gains, whether you like it or not.
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Still gains, whether you like it or not.
I'm not debating whether they're gains or not, just their impact.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:48 PM
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I'm not debating whether they're gains or not, just their impact.
They are major. The Forsaken now controls a huge region.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:50 PM
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I'm not debating whether they're gains or not, just their impact.
It's more than everyone else, really.
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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It's more than everyone else, really.
Only made them even with everyone else's standing territories didn't it?
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:00 PM
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Only made them even with everyone else's standing territories didn't it?
Humans work from relative distinctions.

Doubly so if one's gain is from another's loss.
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Because if a storyteller is doing his job, he makes you care. And if that storyteller then says "I dunno, then they stopped fighting, I guess," without any explanation or clarification, his audience has every right to be pissed off. Because they were given reason to stay interested, reason to keep up with his tale, only to be shut down just as things were getting good. A waste of time, a waste of emotional tension, a waste, if you fail to grasp the significance of narrative, of money.
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:11 PM
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Garrosh gained the Dragonmaw for the Horde, Ironforge got a bunch of formerly isolated Wildhammer.

The Night Elves gained the Highborne.

Hillsbrad just isn't that big a deal.
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:34 PM
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I'm not debating whether they're gains or not, just their impact.
I'd say the impact is pretty huge, even if she didn't physically gain a goldmine or a fortress or whatever. The Stormpike are gone as a threat, contained in their little fortress. The humans of Hillsbrad are gone, as is the Alliance's main port. Gilneas is gone, it's people abandoning everything held there. Where once there were a fairly large number of contenders on the Lordaeron continent all hostile to the Forsaken, now there are much fewer.
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:46 PM
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Hillsbrad just isn't that big a deal.
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Kinda adding insult to injury.
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If I help convict and execute Sylvanas will the Alliance be my friend?
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:48 PM
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are here today to pass judgment on Lady Sylvanas Windrunner.

Since we are classy people, we allow her to have an equitable and neutral trial before declaring her guilty and having her executed.

Sylvanas, you are accused of genocide, attempted genocide, torture, thievery, terrorism, treason, incitation to violence and slavery.

Before we proceed to her execution, does anyone wish to add more accusations or defend this criminal scum?
You cannot have "an equitable and neutral trial" while also referring to the accused as "criminal scum".
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:57 PM
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WTF is the point of this thread anyway other than beating a dead horse?

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Old 02-02-2014, 11:36 PM
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So what, a haunted fort, the ruins of Durnholde she nonsensically turned into an elemental gladiator arena, a rebellious mushroom farm?
Uh, enemy presence plague-bombed, three towns put under control?

And that's gamescale only.
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Old 02-03-2014, 12:01 AM
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If I help convict and execute Sylvanas will the Alliance be my friend?
The fucking would will be your friend.

Itll bake you a cake.

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Old 02-03-2014, 12:26 AM
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I enjoy this thread, amuses me. Well done, Trickster.

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You cannot have "an equitable and neutral trial" while also referring to the accused as "criminal scum".
I think it's meant to be humorous, at least that's what I get from it.
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Old 02-03-2014, 01:16 AM
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